20 miles south from me.......Rothrham.

[rory_20_uk]

I wouldn't mind doing that even now. I'd even agree with the deporting foreign fighters idea, possibly combined with recognising ISIS as a state so that anyone who turns up over there can be expelled to the state they'd rather be in. And if any of these cry-wolf so-called anti-racism bodies are government or similarly funded (the one so-called representing footballers is particularly odious), cut them loose. They have freedom of speech, but it doesn't mean we have to fund them with taxpayers' money.

The idea of recognising them as a state so they could be viewed as citizens of said state is interesting - but probably not one that would be accepted as if persons can be forcibly given foreign statehood would be a game that everyone could engage in to get rid of people they don't like.

It was interesting that an English cricketer who is ethnically Indian got a lot of abuse from other ethnic Indian English people in the UK. What was done? Erm... nothing. Would that be allowed if white people were doing so? I highly doubt it - reducing racism should be something undertaken regardless of ethnicity of the purpotrator.

[Vincent Butler]

It was interesting that an English cricketer who is ethnically Indian got a lot of abuse from other ethnic Indian English people in the UK. What was done? Erm... nothing. Would that be allowed if white people were doing so? I highly doubt it - reducing racism should be something undertaken regardless of ethnicity of the purpotrator.

Here in Alaska, and especially the villages, the natives who do try to integrate into normal American culture/religion are ostracized for following "the white man's" way of life. We helped a black church get a special meeting going, and there were black singing groups who would not come because a white church was helping out. Racism is wrong, no matter which way it goes. And I think everyone agrees, no matter their race, they should have been reported there in Rotherham. A culture is bound for trouble when people do not integrate. America used to be built on people coming over and becoming American. Nowadays they are lumped into groups (African-Americans, Native Americans, Hispanic-Americans) instead of just American, even if they are umpteenth generation American. By that rule most Americans are English-American or Irish-American. Start a civil rights campaign, the rights of the English-Americans are being trod on! I am not Dutch-American, I am an American with one Dutch parent. If Fragony is reading, in the Netherlands, don't you need to learn Dutch in order to get a visa in the Netherlands?

[HoreTore]

Start a civil rights campaign, the rights of the English-Americans are being trod on!

That would be the tea party.

Also, are you forgetting the existence of the nativist movements? And the extreme abuse directed at Irish immigrants?

[Vincent Butler]

That would be the tea party.

Also, are you forgetting the existence of the nativist movements? And the extreme abuse directed at Irish immigrants?

That was definitely wrong, against the Irish. I am not sure what you mean by "nativist movements", I am not familiar with that term. The bottom line is, racism is wrong, no matter if it white-on-black, black-on-white, native-on-hispanic, whatever.

[HoreTore]

That was definitely wrong, against the Irish. I am not sure what you mean by "nativist movements", I am not familiar with that term. The bottom line is, racism is wrong, no matter if it white-on-black, black-on-white, native-on-hispanic, whatever.

Wiki linky on nativismy.

[Vincent Butler]

Wiki linky on nativismy.

OK, I get it. I certainly don't oppose legal immigration, but I don't believe in special rights based on race or whatever. Now I don't mind giving citizens certain rights, such as voting, that non-citizens don't have, but if it is in the American Bill of Rights, those should apply to all who come here LEGALLY (I am speaking in America only, other countries may do things differently and that is their business). The Bill of Rights was an acknowledgement of those rights, not the government granting them, so those apply to all.
HoreTore, I have been wondering for a long time...what is crying on the pitch?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Having read those linky'd pieces.

Yuck. Full stop.

Trials and jail time need to be a central component of the response and that response should not be delayed.

[HoreTore]

HoreTore, I have been wondering for a long time...what is crying on the pitch?

After Hannibal the Cannibal (Luis Suarez) broke down in tears after loosing the title last season, that's what Stoke's ex-con centre back Robert Huth tweeted.

[Fragony]

In the Netherlands, don't you need to learn Dutch in order to get a visa in the Netherlands?

Not for a visa or working permit, expats don't need to learn Dutch. I don't really know how it works, as I understand it you have to learn Dutch if you are on welfare, because you won't get a job if you don't. Don't know the specifics.

[Idaho]

I suspect that the "don't want to be tagged as racist" excuse was an afterthought. Principally the problem was that they didn't give a shit about young, poor girls.

[Fragony]

Bit of both probably. Can't believe I am trying to nuance, no matter how much I detest islam, it can be taken out of the equation probably because this was a professional gang looking for the easiest victims; lower class girls.

[InsaneApache]

I suspect that the "don't want to be tagged as racist" excuse was an afterthought. Principally the problem was that they didn't give a shit about young, poor girls.

Funny that isn't it?

Yet this is the same police farce that colluded with the BBC when they raided Clifford Richards' home last week.

Nothing to see here, move along.

BTW Nice to see you again Idaho.

[rory_20_uk]

Oh good, an enquiry

Any bets on the outcome? System failure, no one person responsible (certainly no one currently working there). Lessons learned, new approach, new leadership, reassuring change of approach.

Do they just copy and paste the conclusion from the last one?

[InsaneApache]

Do they just copy and paste the conclusion from the last one?

Yes.