20 miles south from me.......Rothrham.

[Greyblades]

The reactionary's are gaining steam and a grinning idiot with no real plan is now posed to put a boot shaped dent in the british system.

Now I know how the Americans felt in 2008.

And 2012.

And 2016.

[InsaneApache]

So a party that appears to offer them more and not "foreigners" - anyone out of Yorkshire - will win votes.

That's me buggered then. I expect to be deported back to Lancashire, fifthwith.

The reactionary's are gaining steam and a grinning idiot with no real plan is now posed to put a boot shaped dent in the british system

Which one are you on about? Clegg, Milliband or Camoron?

[Greyblades]

Which one are you on about? Clegg, Milliband or Camoron?

Considering none of them are gaining steam...

Britain is tired of the status quo and is looking for someone to break the cycle of mediocraty that is the labour-conservative 2 party system. Problem is that in our search a lot of us have latched on to a party that is one step from the BNP. Worse, like the SNP they have no plan beyond cut ties with a neighbour we have more need of than we wish to admit. When those bonds are broken UKIP will show themselves as utterly clueless as to how to actually run a country and by then britain will just be another spain style hasbeen.

[Fragony]

That smiling idiot has more sense in the nails of his toes than the entire EU combined. Youtube is full of video's where he predicted, well just about everything.

Now the EU wants more than 2 billion euro extra from the UK because ehhhhh they want it. Totally understandable, if they get less money they don't get more of it. They want more from us as well, they decided that our economy is bigger because of the drugtrade and prostition, 600 million please.

[Greyblades]

That smiling idiot has more sense in the nails of his toes than the entire EU combined. Youtube is full of video's where he predicted, well just about everything.

Now the EU wants more than 2 billion euro extra from the UK. They want more from us as well, they decided that our economy is bigger because of the drugtrade and prostition, 600 million please.

if he had any sense at all he would be restraining the idiots plaguing the eu instead of cutting ties.
We are up to our eyeballs in debt and he wants to throw away one of our main money makers. Wise he ain't.

[Fragony]

if he had any sense at all he would be restraining the idiots plaguing the eu instead of cutting ties.
We are up to our eyeballs in debt and he wants to throw away one of our main money makers. Wise he ain't.

The EU only costs the UK and The Netherlands money. Europhiles will furiously scream that we need Europe, which of course absolutily true. But we don't need the EU, we can trade just as well without the EU. The EU is an increasingly expensive burden.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think UKIP could be a one-election wonder. Unfortunately that might be enough for them to destroy the UK forever. Wee Sturgeon of the SNP is already going on about Scotland getting a veto on leaving Europe, and combined with the ultra-Thatcherite policies of UKIP, this may be enough for the SNP to get a huge majority at the next Scottish Parliament, and have their "unilateral declaration of independence".

As for the rest of the UK, if UKIP do make big gains in Labour strongholds, I can't see them keeping them. A party which demonizes the poorest in society and wants to take away what little they have, would go down like a ton of bricks in a working-class area. People would soon become aware of the fact that they are really just ultra-Tories.

[Husar]

That smiling idiot has more sense in the nails of his toes than the entire EU combined. Youtube is full of video's where he predicted, well just about everything.

Now the EU wants more than 2 billion euro extra from the UK because ehhhhh they want it. Totally understandable, if they get less money they don't get more of it. They want more from us as well, they decided that our economy is bigger because of the drugtrade and prostition, 600 million please.

Well, you didn't pay your dues, deal with it.

As for paying for other countries, by that logic we should have begged the USSR to stay and keep East Germany and all the other eastern countries. Do you think the German reunification was a horribly stupid idea because West Germany had to pay so much? Should we have kept the east as a seperate country and just traded with them a bit?

[rory_20_uk]

Well, you didn't pay your dues, deal with it.

As for paying for other countries, by that logic we should have begged the USSR to stay and keep East Germany and all the other eastern countries. Do you think the German reunification was a horribly stupid idea because West Germany had to pay so much? Should we have kept the east as a seperate country and just traded with them a bit?

Whatever Germany did is Germany's call. The basic question is why isn't germany so keen to rebuild Greece's economy, or Spain's or Libya's? They are all in need and I'm sure if you gave enough billions they'd be better off.

Germans were prepared to help other Germans as they broadly felt kinship with them. They are not prepared to help those who they don't.

East Germany also has integrated and acts as part of Germany and does not now it has taken loads of resources want to cede, join the EU and get money indrectly.

[Husar]

Whatever Germany did is Germany's call. The basic question is why isn't germany so keen to rebuild Greece's economy, or Spain's or Libya's? They are all in need and I'm sure if you gave enough billions they'd be better off.

Germans were prepared to help other Germans as they broadly felt kinship with them. They are not prepared to help those who they don't.

East Germany also has integrated and acts as part of Germany and does not now it has taken loads of resources want to cede, join the EU and get money indrectly.

West Germany still pays for East Germany, only recently have some politicians brought up the idea that bankrupt western cities paying for well-developed eastern ones may not be a great idea anymore.

Germans are not keen to pay for Greece if Greece continues to be corrupt and wastes most of the money. If there were some visible results of rebuilding, I think these measures could get more support here.

As for Britain, I found this funny graphic from the gruniad: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-file...%20body%20link

it shows Britain as the second biggest payer, but if one includes the 3.6 billion it lists that other countries apparently just gift Britain for staying, it would barely rank 4th with 1.8bn, barely above the Netherlands. Though I suppose the 2bn that Britain stole from the EU recently are not included and would only result in 3.8bn then, still 4th place after Italy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_rebate

France and Germany are the biggest contributors to the EU, the ones who pay for all the poor countries. And we whine considerably less about it than people from the UK do, even though we may not always be perfectly happy either. And we don't get an outdated rebate that was meant for a much poorer Britain, instead we pay extra for that rebate. This whole British anti-EU thing just shows what a bunch of spoiled children its members are.

[Fragony]

Well, you didn't pay your dues, deal with it.

They changed the calculations, decided our economy is bigger then it really is. They even don't shy away of adding revenues from prostitution and drugs. It's a robbery, simple as that.

[rory_20_uk]

Considering none of them are gaining steam...

Britain is tired of the status quo and is looking for someone to break the cycle of mediocraty that is the labour-conservative 2 party system. Problem is that in our search a lot of us have latched on to a party that is one step from the BNP. Worse, like the SNP they have no plan beyond cut ties with a neighbour we have more need of than we wish to admit. When those bonds are broken UKIP will show themselves as utterly clueless as to how to actually run a country and by then britain will just be another spain style hasbeen.

Sorry, but the BNP is a racist party whereas UKIP isn't - they may be a myopic, reactive "NIMBY" view of the world but they are not trying to recreate the Master Race. Unless Labour are one step from the Communist Party and the Tories one step from the Republicans.

Oh, UKIP should reform the EU. A novel idea!!! Something that has been talked about every year... and somehow the resources they consume increases year on year. No one else appears prepared to ask if it is fit for purpose.

We do have need for ties with Europe amongst others. Requesting to join NAFTA would be better since that is an economic joining without the levels of waste which the EU excels - there are definitely benefits but they are outweighed by the cons as it currently stands.

[Greyblades]

Sorry, but the BNP is a racist party whereas UKIP isn't - they may be a myopic, reactive "NIMBY" view of the world but they are not trying to recreate the Master Race. Unless Labour are one step from the Communist Party and the Tories one step from the Republicans.

Oh, UKIP should reform the EU. A novel idea!!! Something that has been talked about every year... and somehow the resources they consume increases year on year. No one else appears prepared to ask if it is fit for purpose.

We do have need for ties with Europe amongst others. Requesting to join NAFTA would be better since that is an economic joining without the levels of waste which the EU excels - there are definitely benefits but they are outweighed by the cons as it currently stands.

Bah. Hiding thier lack of organisation and feasability under the easiest scapegoat and riding the wave of the dissaffected and disillusioned to put dubious people in power, hyperbole aside the parallels disturb me. All three main parties insist the eu is not worth leaving and the politicians saying otherwise have the stink of American neoconservative objectivism. Those that arent out and out nazis anyway.

Maybe we do need to leave but if doing so means electing ukip as it is I would rather we nuke ourselves and get it over with. Britain is worth a quick death at least.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Bah. Hiding thier lack of organisation and feasability under the easiest scapegoat and riding the wave of the dissaffected and disillusioned to put dubious people in power, hyperbole aside the parallels disturb me. All three main parties insist the eu is not worth leaving and the politicians saying otherwise have the stink of American neoconservative objectivism. Those that arent out and out nazis anyway.

Cynical much?

Though political parties long on sloganeering and short on ideas is hardly a new phenomenon in the democratic process.

[Greyblades]

Cynical much?

Though political parties long on sloganeering and short on ideas is hardly a new phenomenon in the democratic process.

If the only party campaigning against splitting your union was the tea party would you be optimistic?