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    Default Is Indigenous Military Outposts bugged?

    As Epeiros I installed the Phrourion Laon (Indigenous Military Outposts) building in Massalia, and it seems to be making the Hellenistic Polities culture go down (from 29% to 27%, having originally risen from 25% to 29%), and the Eastern Imperial culture go up (from 9% to 11%). Which makes no sense at all.

    Is the "Cultural Conversion Bonus" associated with this building going wrong? Like applying in the wrong direction? Shouldn't it be making my culture (Hellenistic Polities) go up?

    And where is the Eastern Imperial culture coming from in the first place? Massalia starts out 0% Eastern Imperial, something is going funny here.
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    Default Re: Is Indigenous Military Outposts bugged?

    That building was designed for military settlers in Asia. Either that is a result of your porting of Epeiros there, or most likely an unintended consequence, because I think that buildings can only convert to a single culture...

    If the last is not true, we will edit it accordingly, if it is they probably will be removed from western provinces...

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    Default Re: Is Indigenous Military Outposts bugged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arjos View Post
    That building was designed for military settlers in Asia. Either that is a result of your porting of Epeiros there, or most likely an unintended consequence, because I think that buildings can only convert to a single culture...

    If the last is not true, we will edit it accordingly, if it is they probably will be removed from western provinces...
    It would really help if the description said what culture it converts to; I thought it was a bit strange being there, but faster conversion sounded too good to be true. Turned out it was, since it was converting to a foreign cultures!

    I'll destroy it and see if it starts going down again. Is it possible to edit culture with the console? I'd like to remove that Eastern Imperial, since it should never have been there.
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    Default Re: Is Indigenous Military Outposts bugged?

    I cannot answer that, but will see if we can set a more detailed description for the effects...

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    Default Re: Is Indigenous Military Outposts bugged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arjos View Post
    I cannot answer that, but will see if we can set a more detailed description for the effects...
    Right, looking at the Building Browser, higher tiers of the Indigenous Military Outpost require 20% then 40% Eastern Imperial culture, so it seems a good bet that's the source of the issue.

    Has it been mistakenly inserted in the building roster in place of Metoikia Katoikon (Foreign Military Settlers)? I can't build that in Massalia, but it's a requirement to upgrade to Supervised Hellenic Administration.

    In fact I can't build those anywhere; I wonder if Epeiros has the wrong kind of settlers/outposts?

    EDIT: And as a quick addendum, since destroying that Hellenistic Polities is climbing again - though Eastern Imperial isn't falling (yet, at least).
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    Default Re: Is Indigenous Military Outposts bugged?

    The inability to not being able to build every government everywhere is definitely not a bug or mistake...
    Each province for each faction can reach a max level or establish certain forms of government depening on socio-political historical grounds...

    The Metoikia Katoikon is a complex for provinces with Hellenes and Hellenised locals already in place, so yes Massalia's region should fit in that category...

    Keep in mind that certain buildings, like this one, initially were designed in another manner, which proved to be a poor representation...
    Being later modified to the current system, it could've been overlooked there. Thanks for the heads up ^^

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