Neo-Nics

**HopAlongBunny** · 09-07-2014, 16:14

While I realize the EU is out front in this, the battle against "neo-nics" has come home (for me):

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/beek...oids-1.2757359

The data is either inconclusive or dead certain depending on which side you reference, I admit I tend to back the bee-keepers on this one.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 09-08-2014, 14:39

Bees are rather important economically in many areas, and mostly NOT for their own honey production.

If these tests show a problem then we need to get a different pesticide out there and pull this stuff.

**classical_hero** · 09-11-2014, 19:33

Talk about collateral damage here. They want to kill the pests but unfortunately it is doing far more damage to those animals useful in the role of food.

**HopAlongBunny** · 09-11-2014, 22:35

A little something from "bug people" instead of the lawsuits:

http://www.xerces.org/neonicotinoids-and-bees/#

**HopAlongBunny** · 10-08-2014, 05:25

The province of Ontario (Canada) starts to get serious:

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Business/ID/2546550297/

**a completely inoffensive name** · 10-08-2014, 07:33

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Bees are rather important economically in many areas, and mostly NOT for their own honey production.

I have a peanut butter and honey sandwich every day after the gym. Who cares about the economy, I need that sweet, sweet nectar.

**HoreTore** · 10-08-2014, 08:17

The number one cause of bee deaths, according to the botany lecture I attended last week, is destruction of habitat. Specifically meadows.

But decreasing that means we won't get our new roads and villas, and will have to(gasp!) take the bus more often. So I guess that's not cool. Much better to ban dangerous chemicals with scary names like dihydrogen monoxide or hydric acid.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 10-08-2014, 08:52

Originally Posted by HoreTore

The number one cause of bee deaths, according to the botany lecture I attended last week, is destruction of habitat. Specifically meadows.

But decreasing that means we won't get our new roads and villas, and will have to(gasp!) take the bus more often. So I guess that's not cool. Much better to ban dangerous chemicals with scary names like dihydrogen monoxide or hydric acid.

There are many papers confirming the toxicity of neonicotinoids for honey bees. It's not banning because of a scary looking name, its banning because the science proves it's harmful. For someone that usually likes to ask if there is scientific backing for other people's opinion, you seemed to breeze right past this.

**HoreTore** · 10-08-2014, 09:10

Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

There are many papers confirming the toxicity of neonicotinoids for honey bees. It's not banning because of a scary looking name, its banning because the science proves it's harmful. For someone that usually likes to ask if there is scientific backing for other people's opinion, you seemed to breeze right past this.

Jumping the gun, I'm afraid. We will probably have conclusive proof within a decade though. Not that I am against a cautionary approach, not at all: there's definitely enough evidence to support a ban.

But that wasn't what I was getting at. While this chemical kills bees, it's not the major killer of bees; that's destruction of habitat. But we skip that problem entirely, because doing something about it impacts our cozy lifestyles too much. It's much easier to ban scary-sounding chemicals(and all chemicals are unnatural, remember) than it is to do what is most important: protect the habitat.

How many rage-articles have you seen about a major construction project halted because it will destroy the habitat of some ugly flower, mushroom or frog? How much support is given to the environmentalists then?

Once again, we are doing what is convenient rather than what is important. Ban neonicotinoids, but more importantly stop paving over flowers.

**Papewaio** · 10-18-2014, 05:08

Honey: bee vomit

**HopAlongBunny** · 10-18-2014, 10:50

I agree with HoreTore: destruction of habitat is probably number one; but with reduced habitat it makes even less sense to make (even "just possibly") what is left toxic.
And yes Pape I love bee vomit; when I learned how to make alcohol from it I loved it even more :) My decade of mead production came to an end a few years back and all the bottles are now empty; inexcusable really because the process is so easy.