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    Default Swedish election results are in

    So, the utopian socialist failure that was the conservative government of Fredrik Reinfeldt has gone, in comes a new social democratic coalition.

    Now the right-wing nonsense about Sweden being ruled by socialists finally makes at least some sense.

    The party who 'represents the majority', the swedish democrats, got 13% of the vote. I for one hope that the first decision made by the new government is to send the SD-representatives to a 3rd grade math course so they will finally learn what the word 'majority' means.

    In conclusion: Hurrah!
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    Does this give reason to hope that Sweden will stop dismantling its once renowned welfare state? Perhaps the socialists and the SDs might even find some common ground on that particular issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Does this give reason to hope that Sweden will stop dismantling its once renowned welfare state?
    The current dismantling was started by a labour government, but if they follow in Norways footsteps, yup, they will probably stop. At least we probably won't see any proposals to give tax breaks for hiring maids...

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    Perhaps the socialists and the SDs might even find some common ground on that particular issue.
    Not going to happen, the SD is boycotted from any type of cooperation with any of the other parties. In fact, the conservatives could've easily gained a majority by allying with SD, but they are more than happy to give up the government to avoid working with SD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    The current dismantling was started by a labour government, but if they follow in Norways footsteps, yup, they will probably stop. At least we probably won't see any proposals to give tax breaks for hiring maids...



    Not going to happen, the SD is boycotted from any type of cooperation with any of the other parties. In fact, the conservatives could've easily gained a majority by allying with SD, but they are more than happy to give up the government to avoid working with SD.
    Well, 10 out of 10 for sticking to your principles.....perhaps less of a positive score for practicality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    So, the utopian socialist failure that was the conservative government of Fredrik Reinfeldt has gone, in comes a new social democratic coalition.

    Now the right-wing nonsense about Sweden being ruled by socialists finally makes at least some sense.

    The party who 'represents the majority', the swedish democrats, got 13% of the vote. I for one hope that the first decision made by the new government is to send the SD-representatives to a 3rd grade math course so they will finally learn what the word 'majority' means.

    In conclusion: Hurrah!
    The support for the left wing parties is almost excactly the same as in the last election though. The big change is that the support for the biggest government party (Moderates) has decreased a lot while the that for the Sweden Democrats has doubled. It's extremely worrying that a nationalist party with roots in fascism and white power ideology (although they of course claim that they've moved away from that) gets that many votes.

    If anyone's interested, the graph below compares the (preliminary) election results (coloured) with those from the last election in 2010 (grey).

    The (previous government) right-wing parties are: M; Moderates (conservative), C; Centre Party (rural/liberal/green), FP; Liberal Party and KD; Christian Democrats.

    The left-wing parties are: S; Social Democrats, V; Left Party (socialist) and MP; Green Party.

    SD is the Sweden Democrats and FI is the Feminist Party who, sadly, didn't reach the 4% required to get seats in the parliament. ÍVR is others.


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    Meh, I'm not too concerned about that as long as they're kept out of politics. It will only get dangerous once the moderates see them as an ally. In the meantime, it's no more than a fun fact that 700.000 Swedes voted for the nazi party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    it's no more than a fun fact that 700.000 Swedes voted for the nazi party.
    Gah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Gah?


    The text reads "Yesterday, 781.120 Swedes voted for [SD's party logo]"
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    Parties like the Swedish Democrats only exist because of the denial of certain problems, problems that are getting worse. They are bad news and I don't like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    In conclusion: Hurrah!
    I wouldn't be very excited.
    Even an unprobable alliance between the SD and the Left wouldn't successfully stop the loss of basic labour and welfare rights, in favvour of the capitalism.
    Just look at Denmark's example.
    The only appopriate solution, in my opinion, would be the Kommunistiska Partiet, but their popularity is extremely low, even for the Scandinavian standards.

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    Stoltenberg used to be a hardline supporter of NPM as well, he changed around during the last 8 year period. Hopefully the Swedes will do the same.

    And SD will be kept out of everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Meh, I'm not too concerned about that as long as they're kept out of politics. It will only get dangerous once the moderates see them as an ally. In the meantime, it's no more than a fun fact that 700.000 Swedes voted for the nazi party.
    They'll be kept out for sure, but that requires lot of cooperation and compromises since the government will be in minority in the parliament; and will probably result in much less efficiency. But it's still quite terrifying to me that a tenth of the Swedish population supports the Sweden Democrats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post
    I wouldn't be very excited.
    Even an unprobable alliance between the SD and the Left wouldn't successfully stop the loss of basic labour and welfare rights, in favvour of the capitalism.
    Just look at Denmark's example.
    The only appopriate solution, in my opinion, would be the Kommunistiska Partiet, but their popularity is extremely low, even for the Scandinavian standards.
    Also Stefan L÷fven, the leader of the Social Democrats, announced yesterday that he did not want the socialist Left Party to be part of his government, since that would make it more difficult to negotiate and come to agreements with the other parties. So we can probably excpect policies to be more middle than socialist. It's also quite unlikely that the labour tax cuts implemented by the conservative government will be undone, but hopefully there at least won't be any more of them for a while.
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    LOL @ the analysis so far...



    Most parties more or less remained slightly worse.

    The Moderates, who lead the country the last 8 years, went back some 7%.

    SD, (Swedish Democrats) got 13%, and is now third biggest party out of eight.

    The feminist party aaaaaalmost made it in with slightly more than 3% of the votes... 4% is required to start getting seats in parliament.


    I am happy that SD did so damn well. They are socially conservative (although people like Paltmull probably will scream bloody nazi murder).

    SD wants to work towards making Sweden an inclusive society again, with well working wellfare and social security. Their extreme lift in popularity shows that a LOT of Swedes are seeing problems with immigration, and don't think that any other party take their concerns seriously.

    I, for one.


    Biggest happy thingy for me though was that the extreme leftist feminists didn't get seats... Those people are completely nuts, and it would be an embarrassment to Sweden, were they voted in.

    So, a very good election for me...

    The party I voted for almost trippled their votes since the last election, and the party I despise didn't get any seats.

    Champagne for everyone
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    I actually prefer minority governments to majority governments. I don't see them as less effective, why should they be?

    What it means is that they have to compromise, they can't just plow their their own policies. How is that a bad thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    What it means is that they have to compromise, they can't just plow their their own policies. How is that a bad thing?
    Half-measures sometimes really doesn't cut it. Look at USA health-system for an example of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    Half-measures sometimes really doesn't cut it. Look at USA health-system for an example of that.
    In Sweden, two of the town up north fought about who should get the new hospital.

    Town A claimed they should get it, as they have more population.

    Town B claimed they should get it, as they held several military regiments and are more prone to injury.


    The compromise was to build it in between the two towns, so that pretty much no one gets there in time at emergencies... yey for compromises...

    If you ask why they can't have two hospitals... Well, they compromised it away to be able to build one hospital, in return the farmers got lower taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    Half-measures sometimes really doesn't cut it. Look at USA health-system for an example of that.
    That only proves it won't work when one side is insane.

    European conservative parties are, thankfully, sane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    Half-measures sometimes really doesn't cut it. Look at USA health-system for an example of that.
    You mean our mix of government-mandated, fee-for-service, and taxpayer-provided is somehow lacking?

    Oh, the shock......
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    European conservative parties are, thankfully, sane.
    Depends on thinking longterm or short-term. Parties like the SD don't need a watch to have the time. As long as certain policy's like welcome and bring your whole retarded village here don't change parties like SD will grow. A cordon sanitaire around the SD will only be counterproductive as it only breeds resentment.

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    SD is not a conservative party, frags.

    'Conservative parties of Europe' refers to parties like the tories and moderatarna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    SD is not a conservative party, frags.

    'Conservative parties of Europe' refers to parties like the tories and moderatarna.
    I know, and I absolutily don't like what I see in the SD, but their existance is the effect of the faillure of multicultulti. They will only grow because it's going to be be hard to get Gustav on a 99% white school eventually. Multiculture remains something others should do, and that is why the SD is growing. It's a leftist hobby to be multicultural-minded, feels sooo good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    but their existance is the effect of the faillure of multicultulti.
    I'd also say the failure of the educative system and the success of EU's anti-communist propaganda (basically a combination of equating communism with fascism, as well as glamourizing the anti-communist factions of Eastern Europe, from the eyball-eating Horthy to the uprising of Prague) might have player a role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I know, and I absolutily don't like what I see in the SD, but their existance is the effect of the faillure of multicultulti. They will only grow because it's going to be be hard to get Gustav on a 99% white school eventually. Multiculture remains something others should do, and that is why the SD is growing. It's a leftist hobby to be multicultural-minded, feels sooo good
    SD is actually a Social Conservative party, not nationalistic. They think Sweden had something good going around the 70's, and would like to try and bring some of it back.

    They want to limit immigration to EU's recommendation levels... Hardly a racist or nationalistic view. Specially after so long having had one of the worlds most open immigration policies... Time to make sure the immigrants we already have get assimilated in the Swedish society, before we accept more massive waves of immigration, without really having a plan for how to include them in society.

    Leftist media of course paint them up as somewhere more racist than the Nazi Party... This has lead to some people joining and voting for SD for the wrong reasons... SD is a new party, and have some culling to do, to get rid of some idiots, though. I guess all new partys do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I know, and I absolutily don't like what I see in the SD, but their existance is the effect of the faillure of multicultulti. They will only grow because it's going to be be hard to get Gustav on a 99% white school eventually. Multiculture remains something others should do, and that is why the SD is growing. It's a leftist hobby to be multicultural-minded, feels sooo good
    Is that why SD is strongest in areas where there is less immigration...?

    Stockholm, for example, has little support for SD. Their largest growth in this election was among the depopulated rural north(excluding the population centres), where you are not likely to encounter many immigrants.

    As always, it is those with the least experience with immigrants who fear them most.

    To say that SD, the party who actually had to ban nazi paraphernalia from their meetings and rallies, is NOT a nationalist party is just silly. They are literally a relabeled nazi party.
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    Do most European nations actually ban Nazi parties?

    I have always wondered about that. It strikes me that social marginalization is the better route. We have that here in the USA. Consequently, those folks who self-identify as Nazis in this country despite the social ostracism involved have clearly labeled themselves as malfing idiots and trouble-makers.

    Makes it far easier to identify them and to have the authorities quietly watching them -- almost as though they have volunteered to wear their equivalents of little yellow stars of David.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Do most European nations actually ban Nazi parties?

    I have always wondered about that. It strikes me that social marginalization is the better route. We have that here in the USA. Consequently, those folks who self-identify as Nazis in this country despite the social ostracism involved have clearly labeled themselves as malfing idiots and trouble-makers.

    Makes it far easier to identify them and to have the authorities quietly watching them -- almost as though they have volunteered to wear their equivalents of little yellow stars of David.
    Only Austria, Germany and a couple of the former soviets as far as I know do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    SD is actually a Social Conservative party, not nationalistic. They think Sweden had something good going around the 70's, and would like to try and bring some of it back.

    They want to limit immigration to EU's recommendation levels... Hardly a racist or nationalistic view. Specially after so long having had one of the worlds most open immigration policies... Time to make sure the immigrants we already have get assimilated in the Swedish society, before we accept more massive waves of immigration, without really having a plan for how to include them in society.
    Can only agree with that.

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    Can only agree with that.
    Of course, I am effin brilliant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    You mean our mix of government-mandated, fee-for-service, and taxpayer-provided is somehow lacking?

    Oh, the shock......
    I can accept some fee-paying, like $20 for a GP appointment, but government-mandated and taxpayer-provided goes out of the window when you are actually seriously ill, then get loaded with a $150,000 bill for Chemotherapy.

    Seen too many fundraising for loved ones for people in America, and it is rather heartbreaking to hear about them, stories such as people staying outside the hospital in a tent, to reduce costs and how charity-aid clinics are overcrowded with Americans who haven't been treated for years with ailments because of the costs. Other times, people opting to die due to preventable illnesses because of the costs.

    Sure, I have heard the apologists too "lol, rich people from your country come to America, we have the best healthcare", they fail to miss the point that it has the best healthcare if you can actually afford it, you know, the 1% and not the 99% of the rest.

    Sorry about the tangent, just wanted to rant a little about it. I find it bothersome how they are not protected the same way I am, and it feels more like ignorance which is preventing it.
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    In Austria you would only have to pay about 2 USD a day for the food you eat while at the hospital... I know, my dad had chemo there. Medicine is sponsored by the state, so you pay about 1/10 of the actual price.

    In Sweden you would pay around 14 USD for the initial visit to the doctor... Medicine is very sponsored by the state, and after you paid around 200 USD, you get everything for free (yearly basis).

    I am so damn glad I'm not USAnian.

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