Swedish election results are in

[Kagemusha]

History just keeps repeating itself.

Once enough time of relative prosperous times have past. Individualism becomes stronger then collectivity. Society starts to become more and more divided, while economically upper and lower classes become larger on the expense of middle class. Such is fertile soil for populist movements in politics. Next steps are social unrest,civil war, non democratic governments and ultimately war between states and maybe even world war.

But looking at the bright side it will be all good afterwards, when everything have been blown to shite and the survivors need to rebuild everything.. At least until the cycle starts again.

[Kadagar_AV]

History just keeps repeating itself.

Once enough time of relative prosperous times have past. Individualism becomes stronger then collectivity. Society starts to become more and more divided, while economically upper and lower classes become larger on the expense of middle class. Such is fertile soil for populist movements in politics. Next steps are social unrest,civil war, non democratic governments and ultimately war between states and maybe even world war.

But looking at the bright side it will be all good afterwards, when everything have been blown to shite and the survivors need to rebuild everything.. At least until the cycle starts again.

Do you often get told you have a negative world view

[Kagemusha]

Do you often get told you have a negative world view

Its called experience.

[Kadagar_AV]

Frags, Social Conservatism makes sense in Sweden...

"Conservative" in this case it has another meaning than in most other nations, as this is grounded in a socialistic welfare state, whereas international conservatism tends to be on the right side of the political spectrum.

As I said, they basically thought Sweden used to have something good going for us, and they don't think todays society is an improvement. I can only agree.

And, it's not just "It used to be better", hard cold facts show that it indeed used to be better. Sweden has real ghettos and even illegal gypsy camps all over these days. Not really a step in the right direction.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

So both the Swede conservatives and the US conservatives want to dial things back to the early 80s......interesting concept that.

[Ironside]

Sorry Ironside, but the crapalert is ringing in full volume on your last source.

It is not a quality source, it's a simple circulated chain-email written by some random dude in the US to attack Bush. "Dr Lawrence Britt" is not a doctor, nor called "Lawrence Britt".

Look up Roger Griffin for a definition of fascism, and Carl Joachim Freidrich and Zbigniew Brzezinski for totalitarianism(which SD also qualifies for).

Bleh, downsides of simply going by the short lists from the net quickly and the lack of books and good lists (the other is from wiki, but going after the guy didn't produce an explaination on the list with a quick search). Explains the weak list though (much of it being generally totalitarian and not possible to apply to parties not in power). I'll add from memorary and the excerpt I could read for Griffin, the tendency by SD and fascists of wanting to go to a golden past by going radically forward. Basically, it's yarning for the golden past, while if you implemented the policies your society would be very different from the past you yarn for (revolutionary conservative instead of normal conservvative).

Basically I took the second list to point out the militarism and nationalism that are present in the party.

They may call themselve social conservatives, but how should social conservatism be interpreted really. It's a very loose term that gives no clarity on anything. Are we talking about immigration policies or outright racism, if I got to draw a line I want to know where I should draw it.

It means conservatives with a heart (caring about the poor etc, in a specific way, to differ themselves from normal conservatives).

The big thing with SD on immigration is that their official policy is very different from their undertone, that goes very high into the party. We got the "järnrörsskandalen" or iron pipe scandal in 2012. Short version, media got a hold of a mobile video of people in the party top made in 2010. It contains calling a foreign woman "little whore" in her face and arming themselves with iron pipes to get back on an aggressive drunk (cops got called on him and he got arrested, so he was really that. That said, I think it's the guy holding his arms up in the video so...). It also contains the arrest, since they were around and dropped the iron pipes when the cops showed up. Can be worth noticing that the drunk says that he got aggressive because they punshed a woman. Not in this video, but on the full tape.

In case you Americans wonder how high that are, picture Eric Holder and Jack Lew doing the same thing.
Party support didn't drop. Because everyone voting for them already knew that they're racist.

It's worth remembering that due to coalition goverments, you can vote for the crazies to push for issues, while running terrified away if the same party would get more than 50%.

So both the Swede conservatives and the US conservatives want to dial things back to the early 80s......interesting concept that.

Same mentality. People being people is the reason why left and right has a competition in every country. Even while being total lefties by US standard, the left and right in Sweden does compete, instead of the lefties running with say 70% of the votes on an average election. Priority of values stays the same, what changes is how those values manifest (SD is writing a lot on how obvious it is that women and men are different, while being totally ok with women and men competing in the same fields and if they would be equal in the same field it's ok. It's very obvious that the same ideals 1950 would be claiming that housewives it's totally natural and the way it should be and working women are strange things that upset the way things should be).

[Kadagar_AV]

The big thing with SD on immigration is that their official policy is very different from their undertone

This is the main problem in Sweden as of today. People don't care about SDs actual political agenda, they just go by how mass media portray them.

Ironside, it doesn't matter one flying **** what individual people in a party thinks. What you vote for is the politics they run. You like many other swedes seem to have lost this point completely.

Please read up on what politics they want to run. Read up on how they voted these last four years in parliament. Read up on their budget proposal.

I find it absolutely flaming retarded to go by public opinion or mass media, when it comes to political partys.

To once every four years actually read up on the different political options is in my opinion a damn minimum, if you want to even pretend you are a democratic citizen.

YES, SD is a new party, and as every new party have their fair share of idiots. It takes some time to sort it, specially when the party almost triple their voting and parliament base per election the last 8-12 years.

Secondly, swedish mass media portray them as somewhere more nazi than Hitler. OF COURSE the wrong people go there, regardless of the actual politics.

Read up on SD and come back and explain what is wrong?

Are they "militarists" because they want to strengthen the swedish defense forces. I hope you HAVE noticed how the Russian bear is growling as of now.

The last time Russian jets violated swedish airspace was when? Oh right, TODAY!!

I see it as a strength of SD to already in 2010 arguing for a shape up of the swedish defensive forces. Specially since EVERY other party dropped the ball completely.

What you call militaristic is what I call damn common sense.

[Fragony]

Frags, Social Conservatism makes sense in Sweden...

"Conservative" in this case it has another meaning than in most other nations, as this is grounded in a socialistic welfare state, whereas international conservatism tends to be on the right side of the political spectrum.

As I said, they basically thought Sweden used to have something good going for us, and they don't think todays society is an improvement. I can only agree.

And, it's not just "It used to be better", hard cold facts show that it indeed used to be better. Sweden has real ghettos and even illegal gypsy camps all over these days. Not really a step in the right direction.

Oh I can only agree, don't get me wrong, Sweden's problems should never have existed in the first place, never ever let people who don't question if they are right or not play with buttons. Leftist idiots made quite a mess while clawing out the eyes of everything that doesn't make them all warm inside. Soooooo good, a nation ruled by Stephard wives. But from the looks of it Social Conservatism is more Ethnic Conservatism, you are free to hit me in the face if I got that wrong. The multicultural doctrine is incredibly rediculous and those that willclaw out your eyes if you don't share their cravings are total idiots. SD doesn't sound like anything I can like though, just kinda wary.