Someone Explain to Me How Voter IDs are racist?

[Strike For The South]

I'll wait.

[rory_20_uk]

What is the voter ID you are referring to, and how is it used?

[Sir Moody]

your going to need to give us non US a little more to go on - right now this like a Fragony thread - provocative title - cryptic contents...

[Beskar]

If I remember the argument correctly from when it was brought up on here a long time ago by MajorRobertDump, you have to pay to obtain said ID.

Since 'apparently' only black and ethnic minorities are poor, so cannot afford the ID and has issues with 'the man', it would distort the voting numbers significantly towards the Republicans, hence Democrat opposition to such reform.

Over in the UK, there are multiple versions of ID which can be used, such as driving license, passport, NUS Student card, Benefit/Welfare ID (Social Security in US?), etc. There isn't too much issue since people have these or are in access of receiving these.

I believe Birth Certificate and recent bill/bank statement via post for proof of Address combination is possible too...

[Fragony]

your going to need to give us non US a little more to go on - right now this like a Fragony thread - provocative title - cryptic contents...

Stop falling in love with me, I said it again and again, I am not into that sort of stuff. Please stop sending me PM's as well or I will report you. It ain't going to happen.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Did a quick google and the main argument seems to be that black people/minorities will be put off from getting these voter ID's because of the cost of going to collect them, and also minorities are more apathetic and less likely to bother collecting them. So Voter ID is seen as a needless obstacle to discourage minorities from voting.

I would doubt that Voter ID was truly intended for this purpose, however I suppose is seems possible that some small degree of minority disenfranchisement could be one of its consequences.

When the racial element to the debate is so tangential, it seems like a poor argument to make. I suppose this is down to the 'usual suspects' who like to race bait, and view everything purely through the term of racial struggle.

[Sir Moody]

like Rhyfelwyr I just got back from googling it.

I think the Racial aspect is a bit tenuous however I can see the argument it is an attempt to disenfranchise the poor - if they really wanted to limit voter fraud with an ID they should make it free - anything else is a bar to poor voters since there is now cost involved with voting.

[Kadagar_AV]

It's racist because it's a fact that black people if implemented will have less sway on politics. They are more poor and more politically apathetic.

You want to live on in a la-la-land ignoring racial issues?

You need a racist to tell you why it's racist?


EDIT: Seems like a good law though, the more politically non-apathetic people who vote the more informed the vote will be.

[Husar]

Can anyone explain why it is necessary to add bureaucracy and red tape as well as costs to elections when it only serves to discorage the one or two cases of voter fraud while it will cost the nation as a whole a whole lot of money? when was the last time a president won with one or two votes ahead? Wouldn't it make more sense to switch to a system with multiple (as in, more than two) viable parties, more compromise and more getting things done?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Many Hispanics are socially conservative and deeply invested in the catholic church. Am I wrong in saying that?

[Sigurd]

Jesse Ventura for president 2016

[Vincent Butler]

Many Hispanics are socially conservative and deeply invested in the catholic church. Am I wrong in saying that?

They may be socially conservative, I don't know, I think they tend to be more morally conservative, being catholic. That is totally subjective, of course. They don't go for conservatives, at least not as a whole. According to this site, Hispanics went for Obama over Romney 71%-27%. I saw a stat here that Cuban-American voters have been shifting Democrat. Anyway, I have no problems with a voter ID law. If you are a registered voter, you should have a Voter registration card. That should be enough, especially if you have a photo ID to go with it. If they required a Voter registration card (mine is not photo), that should cover it. That really should be better than photo ID, because it shows that you are registered to vote. Still, you should be required to show proof of who you are. Otherwise somebody could go in and vote, let's just say under my name, (somebody actually tried it as Eric Holder, and had he wanted to, he would have gotten away with it, heard that on the radio), but they could claim to be me, and if ID is not required, he votes in my place, and I just lost my vote. Then they could go somewhere else and try the same thing with somebody else, and steal their vote too. So ID, either photo or voter registration, is a good idea. And you won't convince me that enough minorities who are registered to vote don't have ID's as to make it an issue. It is just a ploy to increase the opportunities for those minorities who can't legally vote, aka illegal foreign trespassers, aka illegal immigrants, to vote illegally, because they will by and large vote for the welfare state, aka the Democrat Party. And those are illegal immigrants of any ethnicity, illegal for any purpose.

[Kadagar_AV]

National ID card, bring it when you go vote where you are registered, problem solved.

Here in Sweden one costs around 20-30usd and are legit 5 years, so it's an annual fee compared to a hamburger meal or so. Geez, how hard can it be?

Heck, I even voted in Sweden when I lived in Austria... From Austria. This really isn't rocket science.

[Vincent Butler]

National ID card

That is opposed here because it seems too totalitarian, Europeans it seems do have a different view of government than Americans. I don't need to have my papers. One more way for the government to keep track of us. Really, the voter registration card should take care of the ID problem at the ballot box. You get it when you register to vote, just show it when you do vote. Simple. And how many registered voters don't have driver's licenses? Not many, I would think. The extra ID is just added verification that you are who you say you are, so that your name lines up with your face.

[Kadagar_AV]

That is opposed here because it seems too totalitarian, Europeans it seems do have a different view of government than Americans. I don't need to have my papers. One more way for the government to keep track of us. Really, the voter registration card should take care of the ID problem at the ballot box. You get it when you register to vote, just show it when you do vote. Simple. And how many registered voters don't have driver's licenses? Not many, I would think. The extra ID is just added verification that you are who you say you are, so that your name lines up with your face.

What's totalitarian about it? I don't mean the ID card should be tracked from space or inserted in your neck...

It's a small plastic card that you show when you need to prove your identity. It has your picture and birth date on it.

Heck, you don't even HAVE to have it. It's just a simpler way of ID than passports. Are passports totalitarian?

This from a guy from a country who force 80 year olds to remove their flip flops at the airport

[ICantSpellDawg]

Because everyone knows black and Hispanic people don't have any money, so its like a poll tax. But gun permits can cost $1000 because that type of racism is OK.

I don't care about this issue. I want to destroy Federal bureaucracy, adding another layer doesn't help us with the controlled collapse of government.