Re: The Trinity
That is where belief in the preservation of Scriptures comes in. I have to believe that what I have is the inerrant, infallible, inspired Word of God. That is why when there are some words that can be translated multiple ways, I accept that what I have was what God led the translators to write. Again, with KJV, I accept that for the English speaking people, not for every language.Originally Posted by Sigurd
The works salvation reference was about belief about good souls going to heaven.ehm.. where did the works salvation come from?
Two separate Judgment Days? I think you won't find any agreement on this with the Mainstream Christendom. There will be one Final Judgment day where all will be resurrected and thereafter receive Judgment and told where to go - Heaven or Hell. That's why in theory no-one has gone to either places yet. (Basic Protestant notion and taught in among others Lutheranism).
Not to get too into depth, there is obviously a White Throne Judgment after the Millennial Reign, see Revelation 20. The Judgment Seat of Christ (referred to by many as the Bema seat), where the saved are judged, appears to be different, because at the White Throne, death and hell deliver up the dead which are in them. In Philippians, Paul said for him to die would mean he was with Christ. So he would not be delivered up then, unless maybe one reads Revelation 20 as the reuniting of body and soul. I guess one could possibly read that passage that way, though the saved already have their new bodies as seen earlier in Revelation.
The idea of two separate judgments comes from the order of parables in Matthew 25, along with comparisons with other parts of Scripture. As said before, the saved have their new bodies already, so one could conclude from Revelation 19, though it is not specifically stated there, that they have already been judged.
I don't know that I would exactly call them zombies, I guess our definitions of resurrection are different. A zombie has no mind of its own, from what I understand about them, which isn't much. Those in the Bible who were raised from the dead were normal people afterwards, though they ended up dying later.Zombie or made new. The former being like Lazarus. He died again, didn't he? Being Resurrected would be to be made immortal. Whether this is a material or immaterial state is for scholars to discuss. The problem is that Jesus heralds the First Resurrection, being the first to do so. Hence all other animations of the dead was not a resurrection (Elijah and Elisha did raise people from the dead).
I would say resurrection is restoration to life, such as happened to Lazarus and the others, not being made immortal. There will be a resurrection for the saved, in which they will receive their immortal bodies. That is not what happened to Lazarus and the others, their human bodies were resurrected and their spirit/soul returned.
I would never expect you to take the English over Norwegian. With the translations into different languages, words will be different in some places, though the meaning would be the same. I would wager that a Trinitarian Norwegian could still make his arguments from a Norwegian Bible, because of his Trinitarian presupposition. You would (most likely) interpret those passages differently because of your Subordinationist presupposition. I can't say that for certain, I don't know Norwegian and have never seen a Norwegian Bible.You know my stance on this KJV-onlyism, and as a Norwegian I would never prefer the English to Norwegian. It doesn't say Godhead in my Norwegian, hence I suspected that it shouldn't say so in the English - and turning to the Greek, It still doesn't say Godhead.
I am starting a new job over the Christmas break, so I may not be able to answer as quickly as I would like.
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