True. However, I am willing to cut the conscripts some slack, seeing as they had more limitations in their choice than others.Originally Posted by Montmorency
Re: A Thank You, on the Occasion of Veteran's -- Armistice Day
True. However, I am willing to cut the conscripts some slack, seeing as they had more limitations in their choice than others.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: A Thank You, on the Occasion of Veteran's -- Armistice Day
You could have done a million other things. Your distinction is solely made to make you feel better about yourself.
No one here is celebrating the SS death squad member or the Iraqi on acid bath duty. To reduce what this day is to the most depraved in humanity is really telling. There is no point in preaching to the stubborn
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Re: A Thank You, on the Occasion of Veteran's -- Armistice Day
If that makes you feel better about yourself, sure.
I consider conscription just as worthless as any other kind of service, btw. Still, the peasant conscript hordes of the Tsar did not have much of a say in their situation...
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: A Thank You, on the Occasion of Veteran's -- Armistice Day
The point is not that they signed up or were conscripted, the point is that they died.
By your own accounts you were a piss-poor soldier, so maybe you didn't get the memo but soldiers don't die for flags or causes, they dies for each other and that is what Armistice Day is about. It is for the survivors to honour the fallen, those who survived are generally around because of those who didn't.
You're being a jerk, you made a nasty (yes nasty) throw away comment about all those young boys (not men) who thought they were doing the right thing a hundred years ago and died as a result. This was not a topic for debate, this was those of us who feel sympathy to express that.
You've managed to soil it and make quite a few people angry - I hope you're happy with that because I'm bleeding well not.
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Re: A Thank You, on the Occasion of Veteran's -- Armistice Day
The concept of Armistice day was created by the survivors against the bombastic "celebrations" politicians liked to have who were generally a long way from the sharp end of the war - at worst.
Most soldiers join to protect their country and often are too young to realise that defensive, just wars are in the minority. But theirs is not to reason why, theirs is but to do and die.
From the comfort of my office, where the worst thing that tends to happen is a corrupt powerpoint file the least I can do is remember the sacrifice they made - not the political objective that served.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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Re: A Thank You, on the Occasion of Veteran's -- Armistice Day
In that case, one should also mind to remember the enemy's sacrifice.
That's an idea. At least nominally, it promotes international solidarity.
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Re: A Thank You, on the Occasion of Veteran's -- Armistice Day
My original post, if you will recall, did just that as well as what rory suggested.
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