Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
Because America acted like a Tyrant to those countries? I mooted this when we were arguing over Libya, that a major reason for negative developments in those regions is the xternal tyranny of interally democratic countries.

I.e. If we are dicks to them they won't wants to be like us.
Yes.

Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
A year ago I didn't think he'd annex Crimea, then he did. Going to war, actual war, would be insane but given that everything else he's done this year also seems insane to me I'm just following the pattern. Putin has shown that we have exactly two choices - war or let him have what he wants.
That still doesn't make anything inevitable, maybe I'd rather become a Russian than plop out of life in a nuclear explosion.
I'm sure that not subscribing to "better dead than red" makes me a horrible person, but we're not even close to such an option yet.

Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
We won't be attacking - eventually Putin will attack something NATO troops are standing on. It's the "fight him over there or fight him here" gambit.
Don't you think he is going a bit slow if he wants to reach Paris during his lifetime?

Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
Everyone hates America until they get a green card.
Oh man, I'd [do things] for a greencard!!!111