Ukraine Thread

[Sarmatian]

Brenus especially - which I find really strange. I get being cynical about things, and about NATO, but I don't get how that translated to a refusal to accept basic facts on the ground.

Facts on the ground are not as clear cut as western/ukrainian politicians and media are portraying them, but, at the end of the day, there is no question that what Russia did and still does in Ukraine is wrong. I can understand their position - west tried to undermine their influence and Ukraine and they reacted like anyone who read a single article about global politics should have known they would react. That doesn't excuse their actions, because there is nothing that can justify that amount of human suffering. After that I blame Kiev politicians, which refuse to accept the current situation and make necessary political changes for it to stop. They've gambled, they've lost, they should walk away before they lose even more.

The bottom line is, this is not unique and West (and its satellites) has been doing stuff like that for many centuries. Russia is suddenly now a big bad wolf for doing what the West's been doing, many more times and on a much bigger scale. On that issue, I can only say -> Cry me a river.