Ukraine Thread

[GenosseGeneral]

"Whom do you have in mind when talking about Nazis, Brenus" All openly Nazi. You see, I have no sympathy for this movement, whatever the nationality of the followers, Russians, French, Ukrainian, Norwegian or US. And in all this debate, the ones not following blindly NATO/EU/US propaganda are labelled a Putin's friends (as illustrated once again by Gilrandir who then complain about personal attack). All my political opinion is against Putin's political stance, from the Anti-Gay, pro-religious and lands annexation (I can prolong the list). In fact, as Ukraine is banning the Gay Parade in Kiev (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22648210), the actual Kiev Government is probably closer to Putin than I am.
"No one here calls France a fascist state, although the Front National has won more of the vote." There are no openly Fascist nor Nazi Party is France. It is banned by law as to wear Nazi insignia or Uniform (with few exception i.e. in movies making). The danger is still there, but again, 2 MP... It Le Pen comes to power, and if she get a Parliament, she will still have to change the Constitution to create a Fascist State. We had this before in France, and, well, the Fascists failed. We had a demonstration of more than 4 millions in the street to defend freedom against religious fanatics murderers. so we will defeat Fascism as we did in the past. It would be a great help if EU started to be democratic, but we will mange without.

The article you linked is from 2 years ago - when non-fascist Yanukovich was still in power. There was one, however, last week, I actually posted an article about it above, and it was attacked by right wingers, yet the police protected it. In other words, it did what you expect from a democratic state: protecting a minority's rights. And before you decry how this again shows Ukraine's naziness - unfortunately, homophobia is a problem in all Eastern European societies, whether it be Serbia, Poland or Russia. The Russian case is only in so far special, as that the government does nothing to protect LBGT people against it, quite on the contrary, it follows the majority's opinion and pushes minorities into hiding.

You see, then there is also fairly little reason to call the current government of Ukraine "nazi" or "fascist", as you continue to do. Ukrainians clearly voted against nationalist parties. There are some positions in the political discourse which are more nationalist than what we are used to in Western Europe, but again, this is a phenomena observed in many Eastern European states such as Poland, the Baltic states or Russia. Did you know that Zhirinovsky's LDPR holds actually quite a number of seats in the Russian Duma? And trust me, that party's positions are about as Nazi as those of Svoboda in 2010, they only avoid the Swastikas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDPR_%...tical_party%29
Correct me if I am wrong, Gilrandir, but from what I know, the Rada has recently passed a law prohibiting both Nazi and Soviet symbols as signs of totalitarianism.

[Gilrandir]

And before you decry how this again shows Ukraine's naziness - unfortunately, homophobia is a problem in all Eastern European societies, whether it be Serbia, Poland or Russia.

The public order in a country is determined not by the existence of criminals, but by the ability of the authorities to neutralize them.

Correct me if I am wrong, Gilrandir, but from what I know, the Rada has recently passed a law prohibiting both Nazi and Soviet symbols as signs of totalitarianism.

I would gladly confirm it, but if I do, some people are sure to call it propaganda or bias. If someone is interested, he may find the law, read it and make his own conclusions. I don't doubt what conclusions Brenus would make, though.