Ukraine Thread

[Hooahguy]

Thanks for the info! You wouldn't happen to have any links to articles that I could read that talks about this, would you? Nothing I found is anywhere close to the kind of analysis you are giving. Or maybe my google-fu just sucks.

[Montmorency]

Don't forget economic ties. Aside from historic relationship or current Russian business presence/land ownership, t simply makes sense at this point for Greece to court Russian investment, not just because it creates potential political leverage in the EU - not because Greece is suddenly Russia's ally, but because Russia can improve its hopes of building that new pipeline - but also because, hey, capital investment either way (hopefully).

[Crandar]

Montmorancy made a great point, SYRIZA made a half-hearted attempt to attract Russian investors, but they declined, in order not to piss Europe even more. The pipelines between Russia-Turkey-Greece and Burgos-Dedeagac have long been planned, but never materialised due to our conflicting interests with NATO.
A popular conspiracy theory.

Thanks for the info! You wouldn't happen to have any links to articles that I could read that talks about this, would you? Nothing I found is anywhere close to the kind of analysis you are giving. Or maybe my google-fu just sucks.

Well, what I said is mainly based on mainstream greek newspapers, the communist newspaper "Radical" and my general knowledge about the pest of greek nationalism. So, I'll try to find some english-speaking sites, but don't expect much.

The only part that is easily sourceable is that we got Thessaly after the Berlin Conference* (1878) and that the Ottoman-Russian War of 1828-9, practically forced the Sultan to recognise the greek independence.


*In that war, Greece obviously wanted to ally herself with Russia, but her military weakness and the British fleet prevented her from doing so. Finally, they found the courage to declare war against the Ottoman Empire and when they did, they learnt that a ceasefire had been signed some hours ago between the Czar and the Sultan. Everyone panicked and feared that we would be steamrolled by the entire Ottoman military machine, but Russia, France and Britain intervened and stopped one of the shortest war in history...

[Gilrandir]

Montmorancy made a great point, SYRIZA made a half-hearted attempt to attract Russian investors, but they declined, in order not to piss Europe even more. The pipelines between Russia-Turkey-Greece and Burgos-Dedeagac have long been planned, but never materialised due to our conflicting interests with NATO.

I think if Russia had some money to spare at that moment Tsipras' shuttling between it and NATO/EU might have brought him more political dividends. He was wise enough to see the economic handicap of current Russia not to pin his hopes on any projects it promised to finance.

[Hooahguy]

Well, what I said is mainly based on mainstream greek newspapers, the communist newspaper "Radical" and my general knowledge about the pest of greek nationalism. So, I'll try to find some english-speaking sites, but don't expect much.

Thanks. Would you be able to post a few links? I dont read Greek but Im sure I can run some articles through Google translate and get some good up to date info.

[Crandar]

Thanks. Would you be able to post a few links? I dont read Greek but Im sure I can run some articles through Google translate and get some good up to date info.

http://foreignaffairs.gr/articles/69...smos?page=show
http://www.xryshaygh.com/enimerosi/v...ai-chrush-augh
http://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=8595498
http://www.novafm106.gr/articles/pol...terrorism.html
http://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=7859910
http://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=7851660
http://www.rizospastis.gr/page.do?pu...5399&pageNo=13

I'll try to find more. Be careful with the translation, because google is very problematic, when it comes to greek, due to the very complicated nature of our grammar.

[Gilrandir]

Just in case anyone is still interested and to keep people updated:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...imea/72629660/
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/0...014154471.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0RP17O20150925
http://www.dw.com/en/poland-furious-...wii/a-18743484

[Gilrandir]

Could it mean something?
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...htewing-214223

[Gilrandir]

Lavrov published an article.
http://en.mid.ru/en/web/guest/foreig...ent/id/1913344
What attracts attention in it is:
1) official Russia uses "compatriot" in the unconventional sense "people of Russian origin who are citizens of OTHER countries " which gives it an official reason to meddle into the affairs of other countries;
2) extensive use of capitalized words.