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    Thanks, very interesting however there is a desire in Ukrainian + Western political circles to commence the war in the east, if Putin wanted to push on in Eastern Ukraine this incident would be a legitimate reason. But i see a stalemate is in Russia interest? But ukraine is a great scapegoat atm. A flare up in conflict may derail the removal of sanctions
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    there is a desire in Ukrainian + Western political circles to commence the war in the east,
    As the events of the last 2 and a half years showed, the West has been doing everything to avoid any war at any price, including pushing Ukraine into any peace treaty. Ukraine has been trying to avoid war since August 2014 (though with a different motivation) when Russian regular army interfered into Donbas fighting.
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    Does the ukraine have any relationship with turkey? As much as a prick Edrogan is they are militarily strong and belligerent towards russia, seems like ideal allies for the Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Does the ukraine have any relationship with turkey? As much as a prick Edrogan is they are militarily strong and belligerent towards russia, seems like ideal allies for the Ukraine.
    On the one hand, Turkey has always been a supporter of their Turkic brethren in Crimea (Tatars) who were against the annexation. So officially, Turkey took the side of Ukraine in the conflict. On the other hand, inofficially, Turkish ships continue to enter the Crimean ports who are ostensibly under sanctions and thus must be a no-go zone. After Turks had shot down the Russian plane and Russia had imposed sanctions on Turkish vegetables and fruit together with stopping all tourist flow to Turkey, there was a hope that Ukraine and Turkey may draw closer in opposing Russia. However, Erdogan evidently felt snubbed by Europe and the USA and Turkish resort facilities suffered greatly because of the abscence of Russian tourists. So Erdogan went to Putin with his tail between the legs. Such an ally would be too fickle for Ukraine to rely on.
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    Once again on how "civil" is the war in Ukraine:
    http://bunews.com.ua/politics/item/p...-conversations

    And the reaction of the main characters of the story:
    http://www.meganewsweb.com/en/news/b...zevym-po-krymu
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    A little translation (last third) to help the joke along:



    There's no more Moskovskaya (vodka) or table vodka, not for a while. This is Russia, they've replaced it with a knockoff.

    [but at least they have State Wine] ?

    With every year it's better to be alive. One can even save up
    [double entendre: 'drink away'] money if you leave some of the vodka for the morning.

    Because vodka (citizen-bros, let's give up vodka from now on, starting today)

    Oh how great it is to be sober in the morning (Honestly, citizens).

    It's like with Hamlet: to drink or not to drink, that is the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    As the events of the last 2 and a half years showed, the West has been doing everything to avoid any war at any price, including pushing Ukraine into any peace treaty. Ukraine has been trying to avoid war since August 2014 (though with a different motivation) when Russian regular army interfered into Donbas fighting.
    Only a war in which we might take casualties. If you can arrange the other kind, you'd get a much heartier response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Only a war in which we might take casualties. If you can arrange the other kind, you'd get a much heartier response.
    I know. Why die for Danzig.
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    Don't mistake me. I think NATO should have pushed the issue, mobilized, and issued war warnings. I have little faith that Putin respects anything short of same. However, NATO is not a unified entity by any means and it was clear that there was little support for initiating, or at least credibly threatening, a border war with Russia.
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    On how nazi Right Sector are:
    http://ukropnews24.com/in-dobrobat-y...rst-synagogue/
    A neccessary comment: there is no more Right Sector of 2014 type: about a year ago it split into Right Sector and Ukrainian Volunteer Army the latter being headed by the former Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh.
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    DNR and LNR are among top violent non-state actors:
    https://www.statista.com/chart/5918/...-state-actors/
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