Ukraine Thread

**Sarmatian** · 07-10-2017, 17:07

Let me see if I follow your logic - since NotPetya originated in Ukraine, it must have been planted by Russians. Since it was based on Shadow Brokers code possibly before it was released to the public, it means that Shadow Brokers are Russian. Since they are Russian, it is quite conceivable that they are controlled by the Russian state. Since the code was acquired from NSA, it means that NSA is under Russian contr...
No wait, you still didn't get that far.

Do follow that train of thought, I'm interested where you're gonna end up.

**Gilrandir** · 07-11-2017, 12:54

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Let me see if I follow your logic - since NotPetya originated in Ukraine, it must have been planted by Russians.

Who said it originated in Ukraine? It hit Ukraine heavier than other countries (about 75% of all attacks were against Ukrainian computers). But from what I heard it was developed (= originated) in the USA.

**Sarmatian** · 07-11-2017, 14:04

Originally Posted by Gilrandir

Who said it originated in Ukraine?

Originated, as in, first affected devices were in Ukraine.

**Gilrandir** · 07-18-2017, 11:33

New information on MH 17: on the eve of the shooting down Russia closed its airspace:
https://en.lb.ua/news/2017/07/17/414..._airspace.html

**Fragony** · 07-19-2017, 11:43

It was probably a horrible mistake no matter who did it, people just make them. Maybe I am really naive, but I can't believe it was done on purpose

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 07-19-2017, 15:43

Originally Posted by Fragony

It was probably a horrible mistake no matter who did it, people just make them. Maybe I am really naive, but I can't believe it was done on purpose

I suspect that you are correct. However, I believe prosecutors seek to pursue charges that it was a reckless/negligent act by those who fired and that they are therefore legally culpable.

**Fragony** · 07-19-2017, 21:28

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

I suspect that you are correct. However, I believe prosecutors seek to pursue charges that it was a reckless/negligent act by those who fired and that they are therefore legally culpable.

Plane just shouldn't have been there. Our minister of foreign-afairs who must have known it was dangrous was immediatly 'promoted' for an invented job in Brussels. Lots of politics, but I think it was just a mistake, a mistake with horrible consequences but still just a mistake

Pretty disapointed in my usualy smart countrymen. A picture was shown of a Russian seperatist holding a bunny-pet. It was immediatly interpetated as a trophy, I thought it was something else 'look at this wtf happened' but I was pretty alone in considering that and got some really nasty reactions for considering they had it all wrong