Ukraine Thread

[Gilrandir]

It's not like you would expect a communist overthrowing of the government to suceed in Mexico without the US attempting a counter-coup or an invasion.

And biting off some Mexican state? I doubt it.

By now the entire situation is a train wreck and I'll be happy with any solution that doesn't end up with half of Europe getting nuked

Your wish is granted. We have tried now any solutions and no one is nuked. The problem is Putin doesn't agree to have any of the offered. And he is likely to push the game further and further. So it will all eventually boil down to agreeing to his solution. And no one is nuked again.

All the West does is talk down to Russia, but the Russians are proud people, much like us, I tend to think that an approach where we don't act like their parents will work better than trying to subdue them with force, threats and so on.

The West may talk foul to/about Putin, but acts nice and slow. Putin, as it turned out, sets little store by talking, negotiations, threats, treaties, promises... And the way the West has been acting so far convinces him that he can keep doing what he was, perhaps with a little adjustment now and then.

It may work for the time being if you go far enough, but consider that they may hate us for it for decades to come...

It is what Putin has done to Russians and Ukrainians.

As for 'the West is only talking down to Putin', he still has enough support even among the population to stay in power, those segments of the population do not like it if we disrespect their president.

Ciausescu had 85-90% support the night before he was lynched. So much for the accuracy of Russian polls.

If Putin doesn't get reelected for having lost a war and being too weak, which seems to be the plan for some here, then who will the Russians elect instead? Someone who is even more of a strongman?

If in 1945 the West had the same ideas of Hitler, would they have tried to keep him in power?

If a unit of separatists is breaking the ceasefire at the frontline and Putin wants to stop them he can do that by fighting them way behind the frontlines? How, if they are all on the frontline breaking the ceasefire?

They would shoot not ACROSS the front line, but behind it, thus it is not the shoot out between the beligerents that were parties to the Minsk agreement.