Ukraine Thread

[Gilrandir]

you consider I support it because I did agree with the concept.

support (səˈpɔːt)
vb (tr)
1. to carry the weight of
2. to bear or withstand (pressure, weight, etc)
3. to provide the necessities of life for (a family, person, etc)
4. to tend to establish (a theory, statement, etc) by providing new facts; substantiate
5. (Rhetoric) to speak in favour of (a motion)
6. to give aid or courage to
7. to give approval to (a cause, principle, etc); subscribe to: to support a political candidature.
8. to endure with forbearance: I will no longer support bad behaviour.
9. to give strength to; maintain: to support a business.
10. (Theatre) (tr) (in a concert) to perform earlier than (the main attraction)
11. (Film) films theatre
a. to play a subordinate role to
b. to accompany (the feature) in a film programme
12. (Theatre) films theatre
a. to play a subordinate role to
b. to accompany (the feature) in a film programme
13. (Theatre) to act or perform (a role or character)

a•gree (əˈgri)

v. a•greed, a•gree•ing. v.i.
1. to be of one mind; harmonize in opinion or feeling (often fol. by with): I agree with you.
2. to have the same opinion (often fol. by on or upon): We don't agree on politics.
3. to give consent; assent (often fol. by to): Do you agree to the conditions?
4. to arrive at a settlement or understanding: They have agreed on the price.
5. to be consistent; correspond; harmonize (usu. fol. by with): His story agrees with hers.
6. (of food or drink) to admit of digestion or absorption without difficulty (usu. fol. by with).
7. to be suitable; comply with a preference (often fol. by with): The climate did not agree with him.
8. to correspond in inflectional form, as in grammatical case, number, gender, or person: In he runs, the third person singular verb runs agrees with the subject he in person and number.
v.t.
9. to concede; grant (usu. fol. by a noun clause): I agree that he is the ablest of us.

Brilliant! You agree with the concept but you don't support it. Doublethink at its best. Carry on. Or follow your own advice:
you’ve got to make serious effort(s) on your reading abilities, or understanding. Or both.

“Man, you gotta do something with that memory of yours.” Mine was good as shown

Man, you gotta do something with that memory of yours - you don't even remember that at least once I reminded you of your own words:

“You were the one who taught me democracy saying that to have one you must be ready to vote not FOR someone, but also AGAINST someone” When did I say this?

Voila:
Post #2412 (Ukraine-in-a-thread)

“And as for me, I don't vote against anyone, I vote for someone.” That is because you don’t have habits of democracy…
The bold is mine, then goes your line. You may check it if you don't trust me.

“Scandinavians and Finns” What? Norway is not in NATO?

And now a NAtO member is allied with non-Nato members against Russia. Good news for Putin.

“Can I remind you that when the ink was still not dry and before any action from the mob, Yanukovych escaped.
Can I remind you that when the ink was not yet spilt upon the paper, Putin started his Crimea adventure.” Lies:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...722854652.html

Feb 21: Protest leaders, the political opposition and Yanukovich agree to form a new government and hold early elections. Yanukovich's powers are slashed. The parliament votes to free Yulia Tymoshenko, the former prime minister, from prison. Yanukovich flees Kiev after protesters take control of the capital.
Feb 23: Ukraine's parliament assigns presidential powers to its new speaker, Oleksandr Turchinov, an ally of Tymoshenko. Pro-Russian protesters rally in Crimea against the new Kiev administration.
Do note that the first move is with the “pro-western democracy” side.
Feb 24: Ukraine's interim government draws up a warrant for Yanukovich's arrest.
Feb 27: Pro-Kremlin armed men seize government buildings in Crimea. Ukraine government vows to prevent a country break-up as Crimean parliament set May 25 as the date for referendum on region’s status. Yanukovich is granted refuge in Russia.
Do note than in the journalistic jargon, the Pro-Russian protesters became Pro-Kremlin armed men, when the pro-western mob is a “political opposition”
Then, only then
March 2: A convoy of hundreds of Russian troops heads towards the regional capital of Crimea. Arseny Yatsenyuk, Ukraine's new prime minister, accuses Russia of declaring war on his country.
Note: 1st real move from Putin, who everyone though was too busy with the Olympic Games.

This is the chronology. Facts. First mob take power, President fled.
Ukraine started aggressive stance towards Crimean opposition, then Russian troops move (well, the ones who were not in Crimea yet).

I told no lies, while your source :
1) didn't give all the information - between February 21 (the signing of agreement) and February 23 (Turchinov's appointment) Yanukovych escaped. So the latter decision is natural - someone was to be in charge of the nation. So my first claim holds: the ink was still not dry and before any action from the mob, Yanukovych escaped.
2) is outdated - check the date of your Aljazeera article - it is September 20, 2014. Since then we have had Putin's own (and his medals) confession that he started his Crimea operation somewhere between February 20 (according to the medals) and February 22 (according to Huylo himself in the Crimea movie). So my second claim holds as well: when the ink was not yet spilt upon the paper, Putin started his Crimea adventure. However, if the true date was February 22 then the ink was dry, yet Yanukovych was not deposed.

“Done”: Lie. If you had you would have notice “ensure the right for entities in Bosnia and Herzegovina to establish special parallel relationships with neighbouring countries consistent with sovereignty and territorial integrity of Bosnia and Herzegovina”. Meaning Croats with Croatia and Serbs with Serbia.
Perhaps I am too harsh with you. Perhaps you just don’t understand the text.

I noticed it. And? Does it say that Serbia or Croatia have any right to interfere military-wise if they don't like something, or appoint any leaders, or change the Bosnian constitution, or influence foreign policy, or introduce their currency on Bosnian territory? Russia tries to do it to Ukraine through their Lugandonean stooges. Was any part of Bosnia annexed by either Serbia or Croatia?
The Bosnia-Ukraine comparison is totally flawed:
Bosnia is divided into two approximately equal parts and one of them further into Croatian and Bosnian subparts. Nothing like that is in evidence in Ukraine. If any comparison could be drawn, then Ukraine -Moldova or Ukraine-Georgia would be closer. Ukraine-Lugandon structure reminds that of Moldova-Transnistria, the Crimean situation is close to Abkhasia or South Ossetia (the difference being that the Crimea was officially annexed by Russia while North Caucasian republics retain virtual independence). But an important difference between Ukraine and any of the mentioned conflicts is that in all of them ethnicity, language and/or confession were an issue. None of those are of moment in Ukraine which is why the conflict in Ukraine is more artificial than having real grounds.

And speaking of Russian nazi-fighters:
Some songs composed in Russia of late are almost complete replicas of the Nazi anthem and Hitlerjugend anthem:
http://by24.org/2014/10/06/russian_s...n_nazi_anthem/