Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
You can probably find most on google, I am not going to say anything at the moment.
Google? Brenus would have flagellated you. It is even worse than social media reliance.

Anyway, blaming Ukraine has a false premise at the outset since Ukraine didn't need any anti-jet facilities as the separatists didn't (and still don't) have any planes at their disposal and Russia was too clever to openly use planes because such facts of involvement could never be denied.

On a second thought, I guess Russia would come up with an explanation or other if such cases were spotted.

Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
Not making any claims because I simply don't understand everything, but first video on top http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven....html#comments
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You shall not pass?
Didn't dare to open the link as it asked me in Dutch to do something. One can't be too wary.