Ukraine Thread

[Husar]

The USSR had had then the territory and human resources to draw reinforcements from. The Lugandon territory was shrinking every day, so the same logics doesn't apply here.

the Russian terrirtory was also shrinking every day, it just wasn't shrinking fast enough, just like Lugandon wasn't shrinking fast enough before the Russians came to help.

If the evidence comes from multiple mouths then no. People from voluntary battalions, army and intelligence gave pretty much the same picture of negotiations with Russian army officers at Ilovaysk. But, perhaps it again is no proof for you, so keep believing the outstanding ability of BMP-driven russian soldiers to lose themselves 20 km deep from the border.

It couldn't have happened on all fronts, especially in the south where there were NO SEPARATISTS' FORCES ALTOGETHER.

And keeps losing and losing ammo and weapons every day. And all of them brand new ones produced within the last year or two with accompanying documents referring them to certain detachments of Russian regular army. And this one also came from Ukranian depots:
https://mh17.correctiv.org/english/

A lot of claims by NATO experts and Ukrainian soldiers, just because there are many people with good reasons to lie, there is no reason to believe their every word.

It is not about reliabilty, it is a reading to consider.
Perhaps, this is mor reliable for you:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...washingtonpost

So you admit that reliability or accuracy of information is of no concern for you?
And why would life in Russia not be great for a middle-aged, well-off straight guy?

[Gilrandir]

the Russian terrirtory was also shrinking every day, it just wasn't shrinking fast enough, just like Lugandon wasn't shrinking fast enough before the Russians came to help.
A lot of claims by NATO experts and Ukrainian soldiers, just because there are many people with good reasons to lie, there is no reason to believe their every word.

You know perfectly well the size of the USSR left unoccupied by Germans in 1941. Compare it with the size Lugandon had in late August last year and you will have your answer.
But, I'm not going to start all over again what has been discussed for quite a time here as word-bandying will yeild no result. The only thing that brings me comfort is the word "Lugandon" you used. So subconsciously you expressed your attitude to the subject of discussion.

So you admit that reliability or accuracy of information is of no concern for you?

As for the Soros article, since it offers his vision on the FUTURE development of the situation, it is irrelevant. It is the personal view of a well-known and experienced politician whose opinion may be interesting to know and (considering his influence) not a thing to be disregarded.
If you speak of the MH17 article, I don't see why it is not reliable or accurate.

[Husar]

You know perfectly well the size of the USSR left unoccupied by Germans in 1941. Compare it with the size Lugandon had in late August last year and you will have your answer.
But, I'm not going to start all over again what has been discussed for quite a time here as word-bandying will yeild no result. The only thing that brings me comfort is the word "Lugandon" you used. So subconsciously you expressed your attitude to the subject of discussion.

You also say Lugandon, I just copied that. What you missed was the elephant in the room and that wasn't subconscious, that was left there on purpose.

As for the Soros article, since it offers his vision on the FUTURE development of the situation, it is irrelevant. It is the personal view of a well-known and experienced politician whose opinion may be interesting to know and (considering his influence) not a thing to be disregarded.
If you speak of the MH17 article, I don't see why it is not reliable or accurate.

Sometimes people "predict" the future they want instead of the future that would happen if the future they predict didn't turn out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy just because they predicted it and everybody believes them and acts accordingly.
If I predict today that Russia will strike the US tomorrow and the US launch nuclear bombers to circle near the russian border because I'm so reliable, then maybe Russia will actually strike tomorrow, but not because they were going to anyway, but because the bombers were sent there due to my "prediction". An extreme example, but predictions can have that effect, if perhaps on a smaller scale.

MH-17 was shot down by a ukrainian aircraft that can't even fly that high, this was proven long ago by a random german airline pilot. I argued that it was a SAM at the time but thankfully people forget so fast.

[Gilrandir]

If I predict today that Russia will strike the US tomorrow and the US launch nuclear bombers to circle near the russian border because I'm so reliable, then maybe Russia will actually strike tomorrow, but not because they were going to anyway, but because the bombers were sent there due to my "prediction".

If you have the money and influence of Soros, one should take such predictions seriously. But, hey, who can say you don't. Perhaps we are talking to... oh God, George, is that you?

I argued that it was a SAM at the time but thankfully people forget so fast.

Specify what you mean by SAM. I have several options to Offer: System for Awards Management, Supplier Approval Module, Space Available Mail, Self Adjusting Matress, Smart Assed Masochist...

[Husar]

Specify what you mean by SAM. I have several options to Offer: System for Awards Management, Supplier Approval Module, Space Available Mail, Self Adjusting Matress, Smart Assed Masochist...

I think it was a Ukrainian Self Adjusting Matress.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I think it was a Ukrainian Self Adjusting Matress.

....and what would the p0rn industry be without those?

[Gilrandir]

....and what would the p0rn industry be without those?

Change Ukrainian into German and you have nailed it.

[Gilrandir]

If you have the money and influence of Soros, one should take such predictions seriously. But, hey, who can say you don't. Perhaps we are talking to... oh God, George, is that you?

And now he is in Kyiv.
http://en.cyplive.com/ru/news/dzhord...yl-v-kiev.html

[Gilrandir]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...a-fantasy.html