Ukraine Thread

[Gilrandir]

“Were there any nuclear weapons recently stationed close enough to Russia for it to feel so much threatened?” Turkey?
Close enough?

Germany?

The key word in my question was RECENTLY. AFAIK, Turkey got its nukes in 1961, (West) Germany in 1960. The dates surely explain why Putin is getting his hackles up in 2015.

Meanwhile, is Russia threatened or it threatens:
http://cphpost.dk/news/russian-ambas...ark.13108.html

[Gilrandir]

http://www.unian.info/politics/45212...rade-zone.html
Will we hear anything against it from Russia?

[Husar]

The key word in my question was RECENTLY. AFAIK, Turkey got its nukes in 1961, (West) Germany in 1960. The dates surely explain why Putin is getting his hackles up in 2015.

But they were RECENTLY still stationed in both countries, you didn't say that they had to be recently shipped there. My article also specified that they were RECENTLY upgraded to become more dangerous and that the plan to get rid of them here in Germany was RECENTLY revealed not to be feasible for apparently shady reasons. In fact it sounds like the US and other NATO countries RECENTLY forced Germany to keep the nukes.

[Sarmatian]

It is apparently much more benign if someone is shown enmity for a half of century rather than just for the last few weeks.

http://www.unian.info/politics/45212...rade-zone.html
Will we hear anything against it from Russia?

1) That was in 2011
2) The fact that you didn't hear anything against it from Russia kinda proves that this whole thing isn't about free trade but political and military issues.

[Gilrandir]

But they were RECENTLY still stationed in both countries, you didn't say that they had to be recently shipped there.

You can as well give a list of countries where nukes are still stationed - it serves no explanation of RECENT escalation by Russia.

In fact it sounds like the US and other NATO countries RECENTLY forced Germany to keep the nukes.

I don't think Germany's position as a current leader of both the EU and NATO (in Europe) makes it susceptible for any outside pressure. Germany is an independent enough player to make decisions itself and force others to adopt unpopular decisions too.

It is apparently much more benign if someone is shown enmity for a half of century rather than just for the last few weeks.

So the task of all the world is to please Russia and see to it that it doesn't feel threatened, hurt and offended? What if others are not just offended and threatened but invaded by Russia?

1) That was in 2011
2) The fact that you didn't hear anything against it from Russia kinda proves that this whole thing isn't about free trade but political and military issues.

My bad. Coudn't find any uptodate English-language information on it, now I have a more recent one:
http://en.molbuk.ua/ukraine/88432-po...-torgivli.html
Evidently the free trade zone introduction was at a standstill, but now Ukraine and Turkey want to step it up. Still waiting for Russia to put in its spoke.

[Husar]

You can as well give a list of countries where nukes are still stationed - it serves no explanation of RECENT escalation by Russia.

So you missed the part where the nukes were only recently modernized to make them more lethal.

I don't think Germany's position as a current leader of both the EU and NATO (in Europe) makes it susceptible for any outside pressure. Germany is an independent enough player to make decisions itself and force others to adopt unpopular decisions too.

And you missed the part where it clearly states that the german government bowed to NATO pressure.

[Gilrandir]

So you missed the part where the nukes were only recently modernized to make them more lethal.

So they had been not nukes nor lethal? One can feel threatened enough to know just of any kinds of nuclear missiles pointed at you. But that acute feeling of danger must have been blunted since 1960. It can serve no incentive to start fussing around just at the moment. Besides, you were the one to claim that 10 years is enough for any acute feelings to dissipate.

And you missed the part where it clearly states that the german government bowed to NATO pressure.

I maintain that the German government is powerful enough to act on its own. Perhaps the said pressure was just an excuse to justify the deployment or (more plausibly) it chimed with what the Germans themselves wished or planned to do, so Germany and NATO met each other half way.

[Husar]

So they had been not nukes nor lethal? One can feel threatened enough to know just of any kinds of nuclear missiles pointed at you. But that acute feeling of danger must have been blunted since 1960. It can serve no incentive to start fussing around just at the moment. Besides, you were the one to claim that 10 years is enough for any acute feelings to dissipate.

I don't remember that but even if I did, they were only recently modified. Whether you understand how a modification can make them more lethal is irrelevant.

I maintain that the German government is powerful enough to act on its own. Perhaps the said pressure was just an excuse to justify the deployment or (more plausibly) it chimed with what the Germans themselves wished or planned to do, so Germany and NATO met each other half way.

I'm glad that you always have a better opinion than the experts on every subject. Surely some random guy from Ukraine must know this better than a reporter who deals with these political topics every day.