Ukraine Thread

[Husar]

Hitler was elected, yes?

Not really:

https://democraticpeace.wordpress.co...s-not-elected/
http://www.lobelog.com/no-hitler-did...emocratically/

Some would disagree:

http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2...cally-elected/

It turned out that there is yet another way to govern without a majority – in March 1933 the german parliament passed what is known as „Ermächtigungsgesetz“ (Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich), a law that allowed the Nazi/Deutschnationale Coalition to govern without the consent of the parliament. That this was in fact an unconstitutional law is a mere technicality – it was passed with a vast majority that would have allowed to change the constitution in any case, so the parliament skipped a step[5].

So,since Hitler and the NSDAP had more votes than any other party during the Republic of Weimar and governed on the basis of a law that had been passed by the absolute majority of the parliament is seems reasonable to conclude that he was indeed democratically elected.

Now that is a nice claim, but he forgets to mention the detail that this "parliamentary vote" happened under the very, very strict hand of the SS or SA thugs who didn't even let all elected representatives into the building:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

The formal name of the Enabling Act was Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich (English: "Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich"). This legislation was ostensibly passed at the Kroll Opera House, where the legislators were surrounded by, and threatened by, Nazi troops. The Communists had already been banned and were therefore not present and not able to vote, while several Social Democrats were kept away as well. In the end, nearly all the parties present voted for the act, with the Social Democrats being the only ones voting against.[1]

So you can claim that he was widely popular, but he wasn't really democratically elected unless you think it's democratic that one party hires a bunch of armed thugs who decide who gets to vote and how. A bit like what some say happened after the Maidan revolt.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Not really:

https://democraticpeace.wordpress.co...s-not-elected/
http://www.lobelog.com/no-hitler-did...emocratically/

Some would disagree:

http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2...cally-elected/



Now that is a nice claim, but he forgets to mention the detail that this "parliamentary vote" happened under the very, very strict hand of the SS or SA thugs who didn't even let all elected representatives into the building:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933



So you can claim that he was widely popular, but he wasn't really democratically elected unless you think it's democratic that one party hires a bunch of armed thugs who decide who gets to vote and how. A bit like what some say happened after the Maidan revolt.

A Website advocating the "Democratic Peace?"

Rome and Carthage called, they'd like to discuss the Punic Wars?

Hitler was elected, he just wasn't elected President, fact is it was internal German shenanigans that got him the Chancellorship, just like today.

You're absolutely right about the vote in the Crimean Parliament, though.

[Husar]

Hitler was elected, he just wasn't elected President, fact is it was internal German shenanigans that got him the Chancellorship, just like today.

Are you saying that the CDU has armed thugs who denied the MPs of some other parties entry and were positioned all around the Bundestag when Merkel was chosen as chancellor? If not, then your comparison of "internal German shenanigans" today and back then is slightly off.

And similar accusations arose in Kiev when the government had to vote after an armed mob had stormed the parliament and beaten up some pro-russian MPs and policemen. Crimea was different in that it (the entire land, not just the parliament) was effectively already occupied by Russia but yes, the vote also wasn't very free.

[Viking]

And similar accusations arose in Kiev when the government had to vote after an armed mob had stormed the parliament and beaten up some pro-russian MPs and policemen.

No protesters reached the parliament.

[Brenus]

“And as for me, I don't vote against anyone, I vote for someone.” That is because you don’t have habits of democracy…” So, what I said is, in democracy you don’t always vote for someone but sometimes against someone. So what is your point, as it doesn’t exclude no-vote?
Now, I think it is enough of the blackmail by the two major parties to impose their policies of “vote for us or you will have Le Pen”.

“Keep staying away and you will not recognize good merry France couple of elections later.” In a country where millions gathered to protect Freedom of Speech after a coward attack of fanatic Muslims? I have more faith in my people than you have in yours.

“Go on juggling figures and offering lame excuses. The fact is the fact” Facts are facts: In the Presidential Elections Le Pen got around 6,000,000 votes, Next Elections, 5,000,000. These elections, 5,000,000. So no increase. These are facts.
The worrying thing is in the like me who don’t go to vote any more. But sorry, as I said, I won’t have an EU dictatorship under the pretext to avoid a Le Pen Dictatorship, as both have the same policy.
You disagree and to a point I agree with you, but too much betrayal from politicians, too much lies from media, so they created Le Pen, I will let them deal with the dynasty.