Ukraine Thread

[Gilrandir]

“The difference is in those people - nazism blames (certain) nations, communism - (certain) social classes.” That is true but not totally true. One ideology in based on racism and murder, conquest of vital space, and the idea that one race is superior, when the other is for equality and all men born equal. I speak of the ideology, not the implementation…

Ideology of Communism has some similar features:exporting socialist revolution (which can be equated to expanding the ideoligically friendly space), superiority of one social group (proletariat), annihilation of class enemies and their minions.

"Ideology of Communism has some similar features:exporting socialist revolution (which can be equated to expanding the ideoligically friendly space), superiority of one social group (proletariat), annihilation of class enemies and their minions." Nope. There is no equivalent in Communist Ideology of My Kampf.

“As I have said, others of more practical set of mind developed the ideas of the Manifesto or introduced their own.” Agree. However, your first proposition was to equal My Kampf and The Communist Manifesto.

“I equalled or pointed to similar tenets in the ideologies, each of which has its cornerstone books as a starting point.” No you didn’t.

You really should do something with the memory or refer to the earlier posts.
As you can see, we started our discussion with IDEOLOGIES and only three posts later you brought up Mein Kampf. Thus comparing fundamental (foundational) treatises was done for highlighting/specifying the comparison of ideologies.

You can probably find similarity between My Kampf and the Scouts as they are both like fire camps, boys and girls enjoying sports and outdoor activities…

Flawed comparison. You can't compare a book and an organization. You may do it with Hitlerjugend and Scouts, if you wish.

“You don't see the difference between "abolish/forbid" and "removing as a class by political and socio-economic measures: confiscating their assests, putting them to socially-useful work, and applying punishment, up to the death penalty"? “ Where are these things you describe are contain in the Communist Manifesto?

As I have shown, they are basic tenets of communist IDEOLOGY. And we are still comparing ideologies.

It is just stating the evidence which is when a Class (or workers) are not anymore needed or are obsolete, they vanished. When I was a kid we had a blacksmith and a wooden shoes maker in the village. They disappeared when I was a teenager… No confiscation, no murder or others hardship measures, just the fact they were not anymore needed/adequate. So, in an all-equal society, the class “Bourgeoisie” having finished in it social role would just vanish.

Once again: communist ideology (as expounded by Lenin and Stalin) insists on annihilation of a social class by violent methods. It was not just "wait until they become extinct in the process of evolution" or "bereave them of their title and they are not nobility any more" (as your examples tend to show), but "confiscate their assests, put them to socially-useful work, and apply punishment, up to the death penalty". If it is not a call to eradicating a whole strata of population, try to replace "bourgeoisie" with "jews" and see if it works out to be a kind of ?-cide.

“Did the USA and France use the same "measures"? In my opinion, they point to classocide.” Don’t know for USA (but I give you that the Class “Slave-owner” did disappear violently), in France it went like this: The “Etats Généraux” were made of three Chambers divided following St Augustin principles: The Nobility (the warriors), the Clergy (the Priests) and the Tiers Etat (the one who feed the 2 others). The French Assembly went for a representation by elections, so the 2 others classes did vanish.
If the King Louis the XVI would be smarter, it should have stay there.
Due to his lack of political finesse; the Kingdom was abolished and the 1st Republic proclaimed (well, not really but de facto), and all the civil wars and foreign wars that ended not in 1815, but for real at the proclamation of the III Republic (1871).

Classes can't disappear after a decree was issued. A group of people was stopped to be CALLED in a certain way, but the PEOPLE didn't disappear. Communists wanted to send both the NAME and the PEOPLE into oblivion.