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    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

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    "Edward Luttwak is a CSIS senior associate and has served as a consultant to the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the National Security Council, the U.S. Department of State, the U.S. Army, Navy, and Air Force, and a number of allied governments as well as international corporations and financial institutions." Does this answer your question?
    And what really an article dated from March 2014 is more relevant now than at the time? The opinion of a clearly not neutral "analyst", the kind of who are good to explain the future after it became the past.
    Who said he was neutral? What I meant by linking this article is that a certain official had information about what Russia was up to when people at large didn't even know the name of Novorossia. The latter was first voiced by Putin months later and someone from the West using this name in March 2014 exposes invalidity of the claim of spontaneous reaction by Russia.
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    "someone from the West using this name in March 2014 exposes invalidity of the claim of spontaneous reaction by Russia." So, someone in the West using the word Novorussia is the proof that Putin had intentions? Whao...
    "is an historical term of the Russian Empire denoting a region north of the Black Sea" From Wiki. So, every one with a little bit of googling would have been able to find it. Is the proof, as google used the word, that Putin had intentions? Wiki carries on saying : "The region was part of the Russian Empire until the collapse thereof following the Russian February Revolution in early March 1917, whereafter it was part of the short-lived Russian Republic; then, in 1918, it was largely included into the Ukrainian State; in 1918–1920, it was, to varying extents, under the control of the anti-Bolshevik White movement governments of South Russia whose defeat signified the Soviet control over the territory, which became part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, within the Soviet Union from 1922. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union 1991, there have been attempts to revive the concept, with the most significant development being the pro-Russian separatist confederation of Novorossiya and the subsequent War in Donbass".
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    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

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    "someone from the West using this name in March 2014 exposes invalidity of the claim of spontaneous reaction by Russia." So, someone in the West using the word Novorussia is the proof that Putin had intentions? Whao...
    "is an historical term of the Russian Empire denoting a region north of the Black Sea" From Wiki. So, every one with a little bit of googling would have been able to find it. Is the proof, as google used the word, that Putin had intentions?
    So what you basically claim is that "someone in the West" looked through wikipedia before March 9 2014 and came up with the idea that Putin would look through it too and use the historic nomen in his attempt to destabilize Ukraine before Putin came up with the same idea? Or was it a coincidence that both Luttwak and Putin came up with this idea? Or did Luttwak involuntarily prompted Putin how to set about destabilizing Ukraine?
    Anyway, you claim that on March 9 2014 Putin had no intention to destabilize Ukraine and this idea occurred to him on a hunch much later. I don't buy that.

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    After the dissolution of the Soviet Union 1991, there have been attempts to revive the concept, with the most significant development being the pro-Russian separatist confederation of Novorossiya and the subsequent War in Donbass.
    I'm sure this part was added AFTER March 9 2014.
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    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    I'm sure this part was added AFTER March 9 2014.
    Maybe the entire article was edited afterwards.


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