Ukraine Thread

[GenosseGeneral]

Whom do you have in mind when talking about Nazis, Brenus? Could you be more specific? because there are indeed forces in Ukraine which have little in common with European values: http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1433457163
I tell you, I have as much sympathy for the Right Sector, Svoboda and the Radical party, forr Yarosh and Lyashko, as I have for their Russian counterparts such as the LDPR, "Cossacks", Russian monarchists etc. As the article above shows, they share indeed more ideology-wise than they would ever admit: Homophobia, ethnonationalism, anti-Western positions. Heck, a good deal of Russian Nazis even shares their hatred for the Soviet Union.Yes, you read right: the "pro-European" stance of the Ukrainian far right is more a tactical mask it put on during Euromajdan. Before that, Svoboda for instance, wanted a block-free Ukraine following some kind of a "third way" (preferably secured by its own nuclear weapons).
If you talk about those Nazis, then yes, I agree with you that they exist. I also agree with you, that during the past year, the moderate political parties failed to clearly distance themselves by a cordon sanitaire from those lunatic forces. especially Yatseniuk has also an unhealthy habit of imitating their rhethorics.
However, they received fairly little of the vote in last year's parliamentary elections. The only true right-wing party which made it beyond the threshold was Lyashko's radical party, with 8-9 per cent iirc and even less seats, due to Ukraine's mixed majority/proportional system. Svoboda won three direct mandates.
Now let's compare it: No one here calls France a fascist state, although the Front National has won more of the vote. And i am sure I could dig out some more white supremacists/neonazis like the old Le Pen somewhere in the internet. @Gilrandir: Don't be to apologetic for the UPA/OUN. Communism also had a noble cause, yet we denounce it last but not least because of its methods. Well, at least outside of Russia. Fun fact: in a 2010 survey, Bandera was less popular than Lenin or Brezhnev. In another survey, 52 per cent of all Ukrainians supported Yanukovich's revocation of the title "Heroe of Ukraine" for him, with 31 per cent opposing that move. The only macroregion which wanted him to keep that title was the West. Replacing Lenin with Bandera is definitely NOT the way to reunify Ukraine. Stick with Taras Shevchenko, Ivano Franko or Yaroslav the Wise if you want to build monuments. (Sources for the surveys: Ukraine-Analysen 75 and 81. Unfortunately in German :/ http://www.laender-analysen.de/ukraine/archiv.php )