Ukraine Thread

[Fragony]

Don't you understand that it is aimed to influence the results of the April referendum in the Netherlands on AA with Ukraine? I believe more such stuff is to come from Russia, the sooner the referendum date is, the more fakes you will see.

Of course it's about that. And yeah the chance it's fake is high

[Fragony]

You two were most likely right.

It's getting kinda silly that referendum, CIA is investigating possible ties to Putin. That's pretty lol. Referendum was enfforced by the perfectly harmless weblog Geenstijl who urge those in favour to vote as well. It's not legally binding anyway, they can (and will) ignore the outcome.

[Gilrandir]

You two were most likely right.

It's getting kinda silly that referendum, CIA is investigating possible ties to Putin. That's pretty lol. Referendum was enfforced by the perfectly harmless weblog Geenstijl who urge those in favour to vote as well. It's not legally binding anyway, they can (and will) ignore the outcome.

How will you vote?

[Fragony]

How will you vote?

Against, there is a civil war going on, it isn't just a trade treaty but also a military one. The EU shouldn't get too close to Russia. Ukraine is also very poor and pretty corrupt.

[Gilrandir]

Against, there is a civil war going on, it isn't just a trade treaty but also a military one.

This is the first time I hear of a military aspect of the treaty. Or is the EU a military organization?

The EU shouldn't get too close to Russia.

It may surprise you, but Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Finland are the EU members and are as close to Russia as you may want - they have a common border with Russia. And Georgia with which the EU signed AA is in the same situation.

Ukraine is also very poor and pretty corrupt.

That is true, but in some EU countries at the moment of their joining the EU corruption was similarly severe. Some say that in Bulgaria, for example, it is still not eradicated.

[wooly_mammoth]

^Romania and Bulgaria are still very bad in this department, but I don't think they compare with countries like Ukraine or the Republic of Moldova. At least we are making some headway, but those guys are taffed until the next ice age, in the optimistic estimation.

[Fragony]

EU is no military organisation, I don't know the specifics but there certainly is a military aspect. Fair enough about other countries being just as close, but they aren't as devided, I think it's asking for trouble. But the treaty is going to come anyway, the EU has already said we can shove the outcome up our asses, good news for Ukraine but not for us, nor for our current government (that IS good for us), not the first time a referendum was just ignored.

[Gilrandir]

EU is no military organisation, I don't know the specifics but there certainly is a military aspect.

I doubt it, there is NATO for this purpose.

[Husar]

Funny enough, however hard you might have spent the two minutes you didn't help a tiny bit. We were speaking of ASSOCIATION AGREEMENT, not of MEMBERSHIP.

EU is no military organisation, I don't know the specifics but there certainly is a military aspect.

I'm sorry that I overlooked the part where he said ASSOCIATION AGREEMENT, but it's okay, I forgive everyone.

[Strike For The South]

It's February 19 2016 and Putin is still a fascist.

I'm convinced 90% of you supporting Putin are bigots because of Russia's very well documented problems with Gays, Browns, and Muslims. Things which Putin us currently stoking.

This is easy, no wonder this is what people do.

[Fragony]

That is true but almost everythin east of Germany has these issues. I find Russia to be really calm, especially after a jet was shot down, never expected they would be. Turkey or rather Erdogan is a problem

[Brenus]

"I'm convinced 90% of you supporting Putin are bigots because of Russia's very well documented problems with Gays, Browns, and Muslims. Things which Putin us currently stoking" Yeap. Putin is in fact a good american Republican candidate for presidency...

[Gilrandir]

How's this one then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBimkM3Fb9I
It is the celebration of Putin's birthday in Chechnya.

There is no use denying the fact that totalitarian regimes built along the same lines expose striking similarities in many aspects, especially those pertaining to public ceremonies and other exhibitions of ideological tenets. And modern Russia is moving along the same lines with its 85% support of the leader.

The nazi roots of the song glorifying Putin (speaking of Hitlerjugend):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVu-VRB0KuE