Ukraine Thread

[Gilrandir]

EU is no military organisation, I don't know the specifics but there certainly is a military aspect.

I doubt it, there is NATO for this purpose.

[Fragony]

I doubt it, there is NATO for this purpose.

It's not what I say but what others say, but that is not the only reason to vote against this treaty, in the most egoistical form, it's going to cost a lot and there aren't any benefits, the billions that go to Greece are nothing compared to what will go to Ukraine, economic experts expect a 36% increase of inflation (yeah I know 'experts'). It's just not worth the trouble, nothing personal

[Husar]

I doubt it, there is NATO for this purpose.

IIRC, similar to NATO, an attack on an EU member state is seen as an attack on the EU or so...

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/summary/glo...l_defence.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...t-does-it-mean

Of course if you ask me, I find it strange that France invoked the clause for armed aggression when there is a clause for terrorist attacks (see first link), but I assume in 10 years we are far enough to invoke a nuclear attack clause if a muslim so much as scratches someone.

I also like how you guys discussed this for several posts and noone spent the 2 minutes it took me to search and read up on it.

[Fragony]

If it only took you two minutes to look it up then why didn't you already know it?

[Husar]

If it only took you two minutes to look it up then why didn't you already know it?

Because if I always look up everything that takes me only two minutes to look up, I will spend a lot of minutes in total, no?
And why would I do that if I'm not even part of the discussion other than to make the two of you stop talking about how you do not know anything about it for several pages?
And yes, I knew about it in general, I looked up the details so that I wouldn't have to join with yet another "I do not really know, but...."

So why would you ask these silly questions after I just helped you not to waste much more time discussing things you do not really know anything about but heard from others but do not really check yet talk about but maybe and perhaps?

[Fragony]

Because you also didn't know about what your own police said, why you didn't ain't such a silly question to ask. I knew about Collogne day one, people who read quality media 4 days later when the rug was out of room

[Husar]

Because you also didn't know about what your own police said, why you didn't ain't such a silly question to ask. I knew about Collogne day one, people who read quality media 4 days later when the rug was out of room

Now you're changing the topic...

And yes, even a broken clock is right twice a day...

[Fragony]

Now you're changing the topic...

And yes, even a broken clock is right twice a day...

I answered your question.

[Gilrandir]

IIRC, similar to NATO, an attack on an EU member state is seen as an attack on the EU or so...

I also like how you guys discussed this for several posts and noone spent the 2 minutes it took me to search and read up on it.

Because if I always look up everything that takes me only two minutes to look up, I will spend a lot of minutes in total, no?
So why would you ask these silly questions after I just helped you not to waste much more time discussing things you do not really know anything about but heard from others but do not really check yet talk about but maybe and perhaps?

Funny enough, however hard you might have spent the two minutes you didn't help a tiny bit. We were speaking of ASSOCIATION AGREEMENT, not of MEMBERSHIP. Here is the text of the former:

http://ukraine-eu.mfa.gov.ua/en/page/open/id/2900

No mentioning of any military aspect.

But even if it were about EU membership and a possible attack on a member state - the EU doesn't have any (joined) armed forces. Evidently, since most of the EU states are also NATO states it would be NATO article 5 that would be enforced in such a case.

It's not what I say but what others say, but that is not the only reason to vote against this treaty, in the most egoistical form, it's going to cost a lot and there aren't any benefits, the billions that go to Greece are nothing compared to what will go to Ukraine, economic experts expect a 36% increase of inflation (yeah I know 'experts').

You can read the agreement and figure out yourself if it is that costly or resposibilities-fraught as experts believe.