Ukraine Thread

[Gilrandir]

Why are you arguing with me? That is not my conclusion.

If you referred to them, you are lining up with them. Otherwise you would have mentioned that you don't agree.

[Gilrandir]

And Russian foreign office employees sport their trappings, very similar to Nazi one. A coincidence?
http://nv.ua/world/countries/polzova...tej-96620.html
(It is in Russian, but the pictures speak for themselves).

[lars573]

And Russian foreign office employees sport their trappings, very similar to Nazi one. A coincidence?
http://nv.ua/world/countries/polzova...tej-96620.html
(It is in Russian, but the pictures speak for themselves).

It's a diplomatic uniform that goes back to the Soviet Union. That's why it's less ostentatious than say a Commonwealth one.

[Gilrandir]

It's a diplomatic uniform that goes back to the Soviet Union. That's why it's less ostentatious than say a Commonwealth one.

The USSR official outfit and traditions are very often strikingly similar to those of nazi Germany. It doesn't reflect a great credit upon modern Russia (which claims to be the sole nazi-fighter in the world) to follow those trends.

[Fragony]

The USSR official outfit and traditions are very often strikingly similar to those of nazi Germany. It doesn't reflect a great credit upon modern Russia (which claims to be the sole nazi-fighter in the world) to follow those trends.

The nazi's never pretended to be anything else other than those doing the exact same thing. I instinctively dislike Trump but the west still needs better relations with Russia, they seem to be the last sane man standing. Modern Russia might be just our best friends. The EU certainly isn't, the bullshit constrictor. They even are planning to abolish cash so that a negative interest on savings can be used when they screw up, what they always do, paying to save? Go team Putin

[Gilrandir]

The nazi's never pretended to be anything else other than those doing the exact same thing. I instinctively dislike Trump but the west still needs better relations with Russia, they seem to be the last sane man standing. Modern Russia might be just our best friends. The EU certainly isn't, the bullshit constrictor. They even are planning to abolish cash so that a negative interest on savings can be used when they screw up, what they always do, paying to save? Go team Putin

And you think your life will change for the better? Go team North Korea is what you will shout next.

[Fragony]

And you think your life will change for the better? Go team North Korea is what you will shout next.

For your consideration, how could a Russian leader respond to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjCOJoytLNY

I can see the name of the name of who posted it, and what's above the video, but it's pretty wtf. How could there not be a response?

[Papewaio]

And Russian foreign office employees sport their trappings, very similar to Nazi one. A coincidence?
http://nv.ua/world/countries/polzova...tej-96620.html
(It is in Russian, but the pictures speak for themselves).

Pfft it looks like a poorly fitted double blazer. More likely to be confused with an English naval officer or more likely postman if the colour was navy blue in the link.

One thing about the (Hugo Boss) Nazi Uniforms is that they looked sharp not baggy.

[Hooahguy]

Ok not super relevant but I want to post this somewhere: for my birthday my father got me one of those fabled Putin calendars. Wasnt able to get it signed by the man himself. Still an amazing gift.

[Sarmatian]

If you referred to them, you are lining up with them. Otherwise you would have mentioned that you don't agree.

I don't agree with them because of the report but because they are an authority (while you are not) and because they are impartial (while you are not). I see no reason why I should reject their conclusion.

I also don't think Ukraine is to blame in the classic sense of the word. Obviously, the guilty person is the one who fired that missile, but Kiev should have closed off that area, especially as the aircraft losses started happening on higher altitudes, over 6 km, which is the upper limit for most shoulder launched AA missiles.

[Gilrandir]

I don't agree with them because of the report but because they are an authority (while you are not) and because they are impartial (while you are not). I see no reason why I should reject their conclusion.

The reasons don't matter - you agree. Hence you can't pretend to ignore contrary arguments directed against the point of view you subscribe to.

I also don't think Ukraine is to blame in the classic sense of the word. Obviously, the guilty person is the one who fired that missile, but Kiev should have closed off that area, especially as the aircraft losses started happening on higher altitudes, over 6 km, which is the upper limit for most shoulder launched AA missiles.

MH 17 was the first aircraft loss at such an altitude, so before it Ukraine had had no reason to close off the area. And again, other companies had reshaped their routes without any tip or order.

[Sarmatian]

The reasons don't matter - you agree. Hence you can't pretend to ignore contrary arguments directed against the point of view you subscribe to.

You missed the point. This is way, way, waaaaaaay out of my area of expertise, so I defer to the conclusion made by (apparently unbiased) experts. You can not persuade me to contrary by pointing to flaws in their reasoning when I have literally no clue in that subject. If they change their report tomorrow, I'll accept their new conclusions.

MH 17 was the first aircraft loss at such an altitude, so before it Ukraine had had no reason to close off the area. And again, other companies had reshaped their routes without any tip or order.

Can't remember if they reported an actual number of planes, but the video showed very, very many dots flying around the area on that date.

[Gilrandir]

You missed the point. This is way, way, waaaaaaay out of my area of expertise, so I defer to the conclusion made by (apparently unbiased) experts. You can not persuade me to contrary by pointing to flaws in their reasoning when I have literally no clue in that subject. If they change their report tomorrow, I'll accept their new conclusions.

Then you are on the wrong boards (that is if there are other type of boards anywhere). Here (as much as elsewhere) frothing laymen discuss things they are not experts at and promote their opinions and even (God forbid) conclusions.

Anyway, clueless you (as you say) can nevertheless blame Ukraine for not closing its airspace and claim that the plane was shot down by mistake. So your deferring to the opinion of experts sometimes gives way to your personal attitudes.