Results 1 to 30 of 1561

Thread: Ukraine Thread

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Member Member Gilrandir's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Ukraine
    Posts
    4,010

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    For your consideration, how could a Russian leader respond to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjCOJoytLNY

    I can see the name of the name of who posted it, and what's above the video, but it's pretty wtf. How could there not be a response?
    I thought we were through with the discussion of who is more nazi/criminal/racist and so on. My argument was that every country has nutjobs, even embracing the highest positions. Pointing to them and trying to turn a blind eye upon other countries will not prove anything.
    As a reply to the video you linked: the Russian leader allowed a nazi to be a deputy head of the parliament in 2003-2004:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0eEH_ZuHE
    The same position is now held by Zhirinovsky - you can google yourself and find out about his bigotric lunatic ideas.

    If you mean that Putin had a right to interfere into Ukrainian events after he had seen the video you refer to, then I will say that a sober- minded leader (of any country) ought to know better than to overreact after seeing nutjobs airing their views in public. Ohterwise Obama would have started a war with Russia each time he heard Zhirinovsky speaking. And he is not a random adventurer, but a deputy head of the parliament in 2000-2011.
    Last edited by Gilrandir; 02-16-2016 at 13:39.
    Quote Originally Posted by Suraknar View Post
    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

  2. #2
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    I meant not respond, my bad. He just had to do something otherwise he would look weak.

  3. #3
    Senior Member Senior Member Brenus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Wokingham
    Posts
    3,523

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    "The USSR official outfit and traditions are very often strikingly similar to those of nazi Germany"
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

  4. #4
    Member Member Gilrandir's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Ukraine
    Posts
    4,010

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "The USSR official outfit and traditions are very often strikingly similar to those of nazi Germany"
    Just google for pictures (videos) of parades in both countries and you'll see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Suraknar View Post
    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

  5. #5
    Horse Archer Senior Member Sarmatian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Novi Sad, Serbia
    Posts
    4,315

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Just google for pictures (videos) of parades in both countries and you'll see.
    You do know that German officers were mostly responsible for training Russian army since Peter the Great, so it is quite normal for Russian and German military traditions to be similar.

    As for similarity in uniforms, that's a laugh.

  6. #6
    Member Member Gilrandir's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Ukraine
    Posts
    4,010

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    You do know that German officers were mostly responsible for training Russian army since Peter the Great, so it is quite normal for Russian and German military traditions to be similar.
    I don't mean military parades only. Demostrations were also designed according to similar patterns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    As for similarity in uniforms, that's a laugh.
    Google those of pioneers and Hitlerjugend.
    Quote Originally Posted by Suraknar View Post
    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

  7. #7
    Horse Archer Senior Member Sarmatian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Novi Sad, Serbia
    Posts
    4,315

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    I don't mean military parades only. Demostrations were also designed according to similar patterns.
    What?

    Google those of pioneers and Hitlerjugend.
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	UniformConcept10.jpg 
Views:	346 
Size:	27.3 KB 
ID:	17544

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	uniform.jpg 
Views:	302 
Size:	57.0 KB 
ID:	17545

    Short trousers and a shirt? Common "dressy" youth clothing at the time.

    You're reeeeeeally pushing it now.

  8. #8
    Member Member Gilrandir's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Ukraine
    Posts
    4,010

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "The USSR official outfit and traditions are very often strikingly similar to those of nazi Germany"
    A follow up on the topic - posters of two countries in question:
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 1.jpg 
Views:	375 
Size:	13.2 KB 
ID:	18127
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman2.jpg 
Views:	358 
Size:	10.9 KB 
ID:	18128
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 3.jpg 
Views:	364 
Size:	11.0 KB 
ID:	18129
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 4.jpg 
Views:	372 
Size:	13.4 KB 
ID:	18130
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 5.jpg 
Views:	379 
Size:	13.2 KB 
ID:	18131
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 6.jpg 
Views:	366 
Size:	12.4 KB 
ID:	18132
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 7.jpg 
Views:	374 
Size:	12.2 KB 
ID:	18133
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 8.jpg 
Views:	373 
Size:	13.4 KB 
ID:	18134
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 9.jpg 
Views:	371 
Size:	9.0 KB 
ID:	18135
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 10.jpg 
Views:	368 
Size:	11.7 KB 
ID:	18136
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 11.jpg 
Views:	362 
Size:	13.0 KB 
ID:	18137
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	SovietGerman 12.jpg 
Views:	374 
Size:	12.4 KB 
ID:	18138
    Quote Originally Posted by Suraknar View Post
    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

  9. #9
    Member Member Crandar's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Alpine Subtundra
    Posts
    920

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Flashing news!

    Uniforms and propaganda posters from the same time look similar! Soviet and German cars, too! Even, the toothpastes! Just look at these suspicious little devilish cylinders!

    Not to mention that both their leaders had a mustache. Coincidence? I think not.

  10. #10
    Senior Member Senior Member Brenus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Wokingham
    Posts
    3,523

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    "A follow up on the topic"
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	1aeae6a6a724ad0e29419503c897204b.jpg 
Views:	359 
Size:	95.5 KB 
ID:	18147 Click image for larger version. 

Name:	18-03.png 
Views:	363 
Size:	165.7 KB 
ID:	18148 Click image for larger version. 

Name:	44_its_up_to_you_protect_the_nations_honor_enlist_now.jpg 
Views:	364 
Size:	84.5 KB 
ID:	18149 Click image for larger version. 

Name:	640px-Unclesamwantyou1.jpg 
Views:	364 
Size:	109.6 KB 
ID:	18150 Click image for larger version. 

Name:	5517c995024bc09faf0a729052f05ddc.jpg 
Views:	369 
Size:	27.0 KB 
ID:	18151 Click image for larger version. 

Name:	78616215ralliement-americain-jpg.jpg 
Views:	367 
Size:	55.2 KB 
ID:	18152
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	propagande_fr_ww1_034.jpg 
Views:	374 
Size:	47.4 KB 
ID:	18153 Click image for larger version. 

Name:	world war one propaganda poster liberty bonds beat back the hun anti german.jpg 
Views:	363 
Size:	29.7 KB 
ID:	18154

    one of my favourite:
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	propagande-alliee-1945.jpg 
Views:	350 
Size:	43.8 KB 
ID:	18156

    I have others but I won't bother to put in parallel...
    Last edited by Brenus; 05-11-2016 at 18:24.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

  11. #11
    Member Member Gilrandir's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Ukraine
    Posts
    4,010

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post

    I have others but I won't bother to put in parallel...
    It is the parallel that matters. The messages of the posters are indeed universal, but I was pointing to the DESIGN similarities (including Stalin giving a nazi salute) which testifies to the readiness of the two regimes to draw upon each other's experience and techniques.
    Quote Originally Posted by Suraknar View Post
    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

  12. #12
    Member Member Gilrandir's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Ukraine
    Posts
    4,010

    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I meant not respond, my bad. He just had to do something otherwise he would look weak.
    What he did exceeds the common sense (of a country leader) and looks like a knee-jerk reaction. Anyway, he together with his country are much weaker now. Was it worth it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Suraknar View Post
    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO