Ukraine Thread

[Gilrandir]

It's a diplomatic uniform that goes back to the Soviet Union. That's why it's less ostentatious than say a Commonwealth one.
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The USSR official outfit and traditions are very often strikingly similar to those of nazi Germany. It doesn't reflect a great credit upon modern Russia (which claims to be the sole nazi-fighter in the world) to follow those trends.

[Fragony]

The USSR official outfit and traditions are very often strikingly similar to those of nazi Germany. It doesn't reflect a great credit upon modern Russia (which claims to be the sole nazi-fighter in the world) to follow those trends.

The nazi's never pretended to be anything else other than those doing the exact same thing. I instinctively dislike Trump but the west still needs better relations with Russia, they seem to be the last sane man standing. Modern Russia might be just our best friends. The EU certainly isn't, the bullshit constrictor. They even are planning to abolish cash so that a negative interest on savings can be used when they screw up, what they always do, paying to save? Go team Putin

[Gilrandir]

The nazi's never pretended to be anything else other than those doing the exact same thing. I instinctively dislike Trump but the west still needs better relations with Russia, they seem to be the last sane man standing. Modern Russia might be just our best friends. The EU certainly isn't, the bullshit constrictor. They even are planning to abolish cash so that a negative interest on savings can be used when they screw up, what they always do, paying to save? Go team Putin

And you think your life will change for the better? Go team North Korea is what you will shout next.

[Fragony]

And you think your life will change for the better? Go team North Korea is what you will shout next.

For your consideration, how could a Russian leader respond to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjCOJoytLNY

I can see the name of the name of who posted it, and what's above the video, but it's pretty wtf. How could there not be a response?

[Gilrandir]

For your consideration, how could a Russian leader respond to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjCOJoytLNY

I can see the name of the name of who posted it, and what's above the video, but it's pretty wtf. How could there not be a response?

I thought we were through with the discussion of who is more nazi/criminal/racist and so on. My argument was that every country has nutjobs, even embracing the highest positions. Pointing to them and trying to turn a blind eye upon other countries will not prove anything.
As a reply to the video you linked: the Russian leader allowed a nazi to be a deputy head of the parliament in 2003-2004:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0eEH_ZuHE
The same position is now held by Zhirinovsky - you can google yourself and find out about his bigotric lunatic ideas.

If you mean that Putin had a right to interfere into Ukrainian events after he had seen the video you refer to, then I will say that a sober- minded leader (of any country) ought to know better than to overreact after seeing nutjobs airing their views in public. Ohterwise Obama would have started a war with Russia each time he heard Zhirinovsky speaking. And he is not a random adventurer, but a deputy head of the parliament in 2000-2011.

[Fragony]

I meant not respond, my bad. He just had to do something otherwise he would look weak.

[Brenus]

"The USSR official outfit and traditions are very often strikingly similar to those of nazi Germany"

[Gilrandir]

"The USSR official outfit and traditions are very often strikingly similar to those of nazi Germany"

Just google for pictures (videos) of parades in both countries and you'll see.

[Gilrandir]

I meant not respond, my bad. He just had to do something otherwise he would look weak.

What he did exceeds the common sense (of a country leader) and looks like a knee-jerk reaction. Anyway, he together with his country are much weaker now. Was it worth it?

[Sarmatian]

Just google for pictures (videos) of parades in both countries and you'll see.

You do know that German officers were mostly responsible for training Russian army since Peter the Great, so it is quite normal for Russian and German military traditions to be similar.

As for similarity in uniforms, that's a laugh.

[Gilrandir]

You do know that German officers were mostly responsible for training Russian army since Peter the Great, so it is quite normal for Russian and German military traditions to be similar.

I don't mean military parades only. Demostrations were also designed according to similar patterns.

As for similarity in uniforms, that's a laugh.

Google those of pioneers and Hitlerjugend.

[Sarmatian]

I don't mean military parades only. Demostrations were also designed according to similar patterns.

What?

Google those of pioneers and Hitlerjugend.

Short trousers and a shirt? Common "dressy" youth clothing at the time.

You're reeeeeeally pushing it now.

[Brenus]

Well, I have to admit that in both case trousers have 2 legs, and shirts two arms.
Then, of course, parades look really similar, as the one in USA, Vietnam, and all others countries having an army.

[Sarmatian]

Well, I have to admit that in both case trousers have 2 legs, and shirts two arms.
Then, of course, parades look really similar, as the one in USA, Vietnam, and all others countries having an army.

But you forgot one very important thing - Soviets drank water. Nazis also drank water...

[Brenus]

"Soviets drank water. Nazis also drank water." No no no no. That is, they eat the same food, which is as well very suspicious, I grant you. However it is another subject.
I heard for a very reliable social media (but now shut-down) that they use stoves, same kind of, and their flasks looks very similar. They also have chairs and tables, and most of their glasses are made of glass. Yes.

[Gilrandir]

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[Viking]

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[Sarmatian]

[Strike For The South]

It's February 19 2016 and Putin is still a fascist.

I'm convinced 90% of you supporting Putin are bigots because of Russia's very well documented problems with Gays, Browns, and Muslims. Things which Putin us currently stoking.

This is easy, no wonder this is what people do.

[Fragony]

That is true but almost everythin east of Germany has these issues. I find Russia to be really calm, especially after a jet was shot down, never expected they would be. Turkey or rather Erdogan is a problem

[Brenus]

"I'm convinced 90% of you supporting Putin are bigots because of Russia's very well documented problems with Gays, Browns, and Muslims. Things which Putin us currently stoking" Yeap. Putin is in fact a good american Republican candidate for presidency...

[Gilrandir]

How's this one then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBimkM3Fb9I
It is the celebration of Putin's birthday in Chechnya.

There is no use denying the fact that totalitarian regimes built along the same lines expose striking similarities in many aspects, especially those pertaining to public ceremonies and other exhibitions of ideological tenets. And modern Russia is moving along the same lines with its 85% support of the leader.

The nazi roots of the song glorifying Putin (speaking of Hitlerjugend):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVu-VRB0KuE

[Brenus]

And:
https://youtu.be/EqolSvoWNck
or
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/video/...r-parade-video
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...unch-Mall.html
if you prefer...
https://youtu.be/XdM84-3_esY

And your link with the song is a great moment... Where is Putin is this? 10 (!) seconds of a folkloric group compared with the German Army and SA... That is a monument you just show... The putinisation of Russia is very well en route...

[Gilrandir]

And your link with the song is a great moment... Where is Putin is this? 10 (!) seconds of a folkloric group compared with the German Army and SA... That is a monument you just show... The putinisation of Russia is very well en route...

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

If you want the whole song about Putin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfP9_ZAofrY
It was sung in September 2014 and it looks like a thanksgiving song for annexing (or reunifying as they call it) the Crimea.

If you want to know what is in the song:
It was a crucial moment, everybody ran to you and asked to save the Crimea from a bloodbath.
And you opened doors for mothers and children of the Russian Crimea. People are celebrating and saluting the wise decision of Putin.
The refrain: Go on with what you are doing, Putin, and you will outshine the movie heroes, you are the best President. You are Russia's strong argument.

Then the tune of the Russian anthem is intertwined into the song and the singers go: We are proud of our country. The curtain.

As for the comparison with the Hitlerjugend Lied, it is drawn in the music, not in the lyrics.

[Fragony]

I'd put the Russian anthem into anything it's simply epic. So is Hitman 2's main theme by the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXp0z4ETWI

[Brenus]

"Then the tune of the Russian anthem is intertwined into the song and the singers go: We are proud of our country. The curtain." And the Croats composed an hymn to Germany because Germany helped them during the War for their independence:
https://youtu.be/2ua1WB-fovQ
It is time for you to understand that every country have their lunatics writing for their President or the person they considered as helper/hero , and locals thanking someone for help during a struggle:

Probably equivalent of the Hitlerjurgen, no?
https://youtu.be/2hpp0Zpk7iE

[Gilrandir]

It is time for you to understand that every country have their lunatics writing for their President or the person they considered as helper/hero , and locals thanking someone for help during a struggle:

I realize it more than you would believe, but what you are not aware of is the number of such lunatics in modern Russia. I gave only one example of such a song, but having access to Russian media I can see it recur now and again. And they glorify not only the deeds of Putin, but his character traits as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnsimQHGWYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCaakPaaQ5I
This tendency which now has stopped to be a province of singing lunatics only but has become a trend in fashion, sports and other spheres, clearly marks the type of society Russia is turning (if not has already turned) into. Even in the USSR I didn't see such open sycophancy. Well, it was there under Stalin or referred to Lenin, but after 1953 no songs were composed about the LIVING leaders, nor their portraits were printed on T-shirts or plates.