Ukraine Thread

[Snowhobbit]

They can do that even if 100% showed up and voted no. We have seen that before with the EU-consitution referendum which we also said no to, took out the EU-athem and called it the Lissabon-treaty, and pushed it through despite the French and the Dutch rejecting it. Something similar is going to happen now, something that's irrelevant is taken out, treaty gets a new name, that's how the EU rolls. It's more of a problem for our national government who ars at an all-time low. We have put them in a very uncomfortable position with a no in a (enforced) referendum, the Dutch no will have no consequences for Ukraine whatsoever,everything has already been sneaked in a few months ago.

So this whole thing was essentially meaningless then? I would say with only 20% of the population being so strongly against it that they go all the way to a voting booth, it won't be too much of a political issue for the government.

[Lizardo]

No, Snowhobbit the way polls usually work is that if you poll say 20 percent of the population and 80 percent vote no the results are upscaled as more or less representative of the general populous,
thats the method for TV ratings as they select a few households to have a device which notes what channel and program you are watching, most people dont vote in general elections anyway. So you can take what you want out of it.

[Snowhobbit]

No, Snowhobbit the way polls usually work is that if you poll say 20 percent of the population and 80 percent vote no the results are upscaled as more or less representative of the general populous,
thats the method for TV ratings as they select a few households to have a device which notes what channel and program you are watching, most people dont vote in general elections anyway. So you can take what you want out of it.

[snip]
Polls are polls and elections are elections.
61.1=/=80

[Fragony]

So this whole thing was essentially meaningless then? I would say with only 20% of the population being so strongly against it that they go all the way to a voting booth, it won't be too much of a political issue for the government.

Yep it was always meaningless, it's not binding. I am against that treaty and voted no but I already knew it has always been futile. But the government will have to thread a bit more kindly now that they know what a simple weblog can ackomplish; it takes 300.000 signatures to enforce a referendum, they had almost half million in a week. The reverendum itself needs 30% of the voting population before it has to be even considered, and that succeeded as well. Even then it can just be ignored. But we can do it again and again and again. Top-tier trolling really.

In the foreign media you keep seeing Wilders, but he had nothing to do with this masterclass, weblog geenstijl.nl is behind it.

[Gilrandir]

No, Snowhobbit the way polls usually work is that if you poll say 20 percent of the population and 80 percent vote no the results are upscaled as more or less representative of the general populous,
thats the method for TV ratings as they select a few households to have a device which notes what channel and program you are watching, most people dont vote in general elections anyway. So you can take what you want out of it.

This was no polling in the meaning that you have to ask a small number of people to get the general picture more or less correctly. This was voting which doesn't work this way.

it takes 300.000 signatures to enforce a referendum, they had almost half million in a week. The reverendum itself needs 30% of the voting population before it has to be even considered, and that succeeded as well. Even then it can just be ignored. But we can do it again and again and again.

Then get a referendum on the EU membership (as the British) and have done with it once and for all.

[Fragony]

Then get a referendum on the EU membership (as the British) and have done with it once and for all.

We can't do that sadly, changing consitution ain't that easy. But it have been some good times to see eurocrats panicking 'THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE FOR THE EU IS WAR', 'IT WILL CAUSE AN CONTINENTAL CRISIS', quality media and state media abroad going nuts, EVERYBODY here knows that that referendum was never binding. You lot have fallen for the best organised prank ever. There are really serious objections our beloved parlement will have to answer for to be taken even remotily seriously. good luck fooing us again. But all in all you all have been reeled in like a big fat fish.

gg

edit, the EC does exactly what we hoped they would do, give us the finger and say they are going to do it anyway. Brits are you listening? You know what to do

[Gilrandir]

Putin created a new law enforcement body:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...book-with-new/

[Fragony]

Putin created a new law enforcement body:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...book-with-new/

I don't see anything particulary troublesome at first glance, only a lot of see? See? SEE?

[Brenus]

"Perhaps Mr. Putin sees oil staying in the $30-$40 range for the foreseeable future and understands what havoc this will bring for the economy and the government’s coffers. Perhaps Moscow is seeing the seeds of a new round of social unrest forming in the opposition. Perhaps Mr. Putin and his aides fear that punishing Western sanctions will remain in place for the foreseeable future and that the campaign to weaken European and American resolve has failed. Perhaps the czar is planning new international intrigues." Lots of perhaps.

[Snowhobbit]

Yep it was always meaningless, it's not binding. I am against that treaty and voted no but I already knew it has always been futile. But the government will have to thread a bit more kindly now that they know what a simple weblog can ackomplish; it takes 300.000 signatures to enforce a referendum, they had almost half million in a week. The reverendum itself needs 30% of the voting population before it has to be even considered, and that succeeded as well. Even then it can just be ignored. But we can do it again and again and again. Top-tier trolling really.

In the foreign media you keep seeing Wilders, but he had nothing to do with this masterclass, weblog geenstijl.nl is behind it.

To be honest this isn't getting covered very much in our press, we have plenty of our own stupid stuff to deal with at the moment.

Here if a referendum gives a negative result it is binding for parliament, presuming that it is a referendum about changing the constitution. Otherwise they are simply advisory and as such serve little function.