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    Putin created a new law enforcement body:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...book-with-new/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Putin created a new law enforcement body:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...book-with-new/
    I don't see anything particulary troublesome at first glance, only a lot of see? See? SEE?

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    "Perhaps Mr. Putin sees oil staying in the $30-$40 range for the foreseeable future and understands what havoc this will bring for the economy and the government’s coffers. Perhaps Moscow is seeing the seeds of a new round of social unrest forming in the opposition. Perhaps Mr. Putin and his aides fear that punishing Western sanctions will remain in place for the foreseeable future and that the campaign to weaken European and American resolve has failed. Perhaps the czar is planning new international intrigues." Lots of perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "Perhaps Mr. Putin sees oil staying in the $30-$40 range for the foreseeable future and understands what havoc this will bring for the economy and the government’s coffers. Perhaps Moscow is seeing the seeds of a new round of social unrest forming in the opposition. Perhaps Mr. Putin and his aides fear that punishing Western sanctions will remain in place for the foreseeable future and that the campaign to weaken European and American resolve has failed. Perhaps the czar is planning new international intrigues." Lots of perhaps.
    Lots of insinuation, I know it's just an opinion-article but the wording is off, I expected better from something as respectable as the Wasshington-Post. Why is the comparison to a madmen who lived centuries ago in any way comparable to Russia today?
    This is framing of the worst kind, and it isn't very classy. I don't like Poetin but I do like honesty.

    Czar, seriously wtf. It's ok if I call that total freak Erdogan a sultan but I don't write it in a very influentual newspaper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Lots of insinuation,
    It is true. But it is also true that Russia has a most developed system of law enforcement bodies, and here comes a new one which is directly under Putin's command. It raises questions like "What is the need for a new one? Is it an admission that the old ones are inadequate? Or are the responsibilities of the newly created National Guard would be different from those proclaimed?" The author of the article offers his answers to such questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    It is true. But it is also true that Russia has a most developed system of law enforcement bodies, and here comes a new one which is directly under Putin's command. It raises questions like "What is the need for a new one? Is it an admission that the old ones are inadequate? Or are the responsibilities of the newly created National Guard would be different from those proclaimed?" The author of the article offers his answers to such questions.
    I understand your considerations, but we have a national police who answers to the minister of justice here as well. That it COULD go wrong doesn't mean it will. The writer of the article is really of by comparing it with a really outdated concept of a czar being in Russia. By law an officer has to wear a sabre in Brittain by law for example. Also here there are many laws that are just ignored. The lines just disconnect in that article
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I understand your considerations, but we have a national police who answers to the minister of justice here as well.
    But not directly to the head of the state. And Russia has a special assignment force - OMON, so there is no apparent need to create a new body and make it answerable to the president directly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    It is true. But it is also true that Russia has a most developed system of law enforcement bodies, and here comes a new one which is directly under Putin's command. It raises questions like "What is the need for a new one? Is it an admission that the old ones are inadequate? Or are the responsibilities of the newly created National Guard would be different from those proclaimed?" The author of the article offers his answers to such questions.
    Another article on the problem:
    http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_...1#.Vw5a5_mLRMx
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    How Russia exercises control over DPR and LNR:
    http://www.unian.info/politics/13041...exclusive.html
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