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    This one explains how Russian media exercise hold of the minds of Russians (and Ukrainians who harken to them). People who watch suchlike footages every day can be easily persuaded in any imagined dangers besetting Russia. I realize that this is in French, yet I know that some people here understand it.


    And Obama draws upon Hitler for quotes, says THE HEAD OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT OF RUSSIA:
    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...rs/569896.html
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    Hmm, no. That is the danger of using Foreign language sources with a pre-set opinion.
    The show is about how the Russian TV used images of the protests against the "new" (XIX Century based ideology) employment laws to illustrate the increasing level of Euroscepticism in France.
    The fact that the anchorman himself use this kind of methods showing the picture of Putin when speaking of the head of this Russian TV is part of it.
    A bit like when some channels used pictures Russian tanks out of context to illustrate the gathering of thousands of soldiers and tanks ready to march to Berlin few years ago...
    For reference, le "Petit Journal" is labelled as "entertainment" in France, satire version of news, so is not supposed to be impartial and completely fair.
    What make me laugh is what is the difference with other News channels any way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Hmm, no. That is the danger of using Foreign language sources with a pre-set opinion.
    The show is about how the Russian TV used images of the protests against the "new" (XIX Century based ideology) employment laws to illustrate the increasing level of Euroscepticism in France.
    The fact that the anchorman himself use this kind of methods showing the picture of Putin when speaking of the head of this Russian TV is part of it.
    A bit like when some channels used pictures Russian tanks out of context to illustrate the gathering of thousands of soldiers and tanks ready to march to Berlin few years ago...
    For reference, le "Petit Journal" is labelled as "entertainment" in France, satire version of news, so is not supposed to be impartial and completely fair.
    What make me laugh is what is the difference with other News channels any way?
    It doesn't matter what stance is adopted by the TV show crew. This episode's aim was to expose to the western public THE WAY Russian TV creates the reality Putin wants it to. Many Europeans are still not aware how intense and aggressive is the brainwashing practised by Russian TV. I remember Soviet TV programs, but I can assure you they fall utterly short of what Russian television is doing. Soviets TOOK a REAL EVENT and gave it a neccessary INTERPETATION. Modern Russian TV INVENTS events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    It doesn't matter what stance is adopted by the TV show crew. This episode's aim was to expose to the western public THE WAY Russian TV creates the reality Putin wants it to. Many Europeans are still not aware how intense and aggressive is the brainwashing practised by Russian TV. I remember Soviet TV programs, but I can assure you they fall utterly short of what Russian television is doing. Soviets TOOK a REAL EVENT and gave it a neccessary INTERPETATION. Modern Russian TV INVENTS events.
    Would you say the Kardashians or news that are 80% about famous people gossip and shopping tips are more educational politically?

    How would you even know that people want to know the truth? Maybe the media in Russia just gives people what they want in their echo chamber just like a lot of political bloggers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Would you say the Kardashians or news that are 80% about famous people gossip and shopping tips are more educational politically?
    They don't pretend to tell the truth of a war.

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    How would you even know that people want to know the truth? Maybe the media in Russia just gives people what they want in their echo chamber just like a lot of political bloggers.
    They do the latter but disguise it as the truth.
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    "This episode's aim was to expose to the western public THE WAY Russian TV creates the reality Putin wants it to." Yes, you are probably right. But what is the difference with Western Media?
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "This episode's aim was to expose to the western public THE WAY Russian TV creates the reality Putin wants it to." Yes, you are probably right. But what is the difference with Western Media?
    You know better than me that there are Western media and Western media. Some of them report on the news others add some subtle flavor (aka bias) into reporting.

    Russian media are either too spicy with such flavors or (which happens as often as not) they report on the things that never happened INVENTING events which suit their agenda.
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