Ukraine Thread

[Gilrandir]

A survey:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...stic-politics/

And a crackdown on Internet users in Russia:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...aborative_1_na

[Brenus]

"Russian media are either too spicy with such flavors or (which happens as often as not) they report on the things that never happened INVENTING events which suit their agenda." Unfortunately so the Western Media:
Timisoara:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...ausescu-bodies

And I am too tired (coming back from work) but you can research on how media made Saddam Hussein building a Maginot Line in the desert, the babies taking from the incubators in Kuweit, (https://youtu.be/LmfVs3WaE9Y) the Weapons of Mass Destruction, of course, and I can carry on with the NATO attack on what was Yugoslavia...

In fact, following your advice, I went to watch RT, then I stopped. They are actually the same than Western Media....

[Gilrandir]

Unfortunately so the Western Media:
Timisoara:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...ausescu-bodies

Not quite so.
1) Western media just took what the local ones were feeding them and then spread it around. The blame here is mostly on the local ones.
2) The graves were REAL and bodies in them were REAL. If those were Russian media they most likely would invent graves and bodies (as they did with the story of a crucified boy http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...slovyansk.html and many others http://english.gordonua.com/news/exc...nda-60117.html).

And I am too tired (coming back from work) but you can research on how media made Saddam Hussein building a Maginot Line in the desert, the babies taking from the incubators in Kuweit, (https://youtu.be/LmfVs3WaE9Y) the Weapons of Mass Destruction, of course, and I can carry on with the NATO attack on what was Yugoslavia...

In fact, following your advice, I went to watch RT, then I stopped. They are actually the same than Western Media....

1) The girl was on trial IN KUWAIT. Western media just spread around what they were told by the locals.
2) In the West there are media and media, like I said. In Russia there is no such diversity of opinion among the state ones, the others are insignificant in their audience and thus influence.

[Brenus]

"The girl was on trial IN KUWAIT." No. She gave the testimony in US in front of US media. The story was completely invented by the media to prepare the opinion to go to war...
The Maginot line in Iraq wasn't real. The Weapons of Mass Destruction were not real... The Horse Shoes operation in Kosovo wasn't real. The mass graves in the mines were not real (Kosovo again). Sarajevo wasn't totally surrounded by the Bosnian Serbs. And I can carry on. Disinformation and deception are now (if it wasn't always) the major tools of Media all at the order of the powers...

[Gilrandir]

"The girl was on trial IN KUWAIT." No. She gave the testimony in US in front of US media. The story was completely invented by the media to prepare the opinion to go to war...
The Maginot line in Iraq wasn't real. The Weapons of Mass Destruction were not real... The Horse Shoes operation in Kosovo wasn't real. The mass graves in the mines were not real (Kosovo again). Sarajevo wasn't totally surrounded by the Bosnian Serbs. And I can carry on. Disinformation and deception are now (if it wasn't always) the major tools of Media all at the order of the powers...

I have no knowledge of the details of all these canards, so can't judge how guilty were the western media. And I doubt greatly they are ordered by the authorities what to write. Unlike the Russian ones.

And off topic - how "civil" was/is the war in Donbas: a commemorative plaque put up in Russia to honor Russian soldiers killed in Donetsk airport after the Ukrainian spetznaz evicted those who had captured it. Pay attention to the date - the very beginning of the armed conflict and the first shootout in Donetsk.


So this is who started it all, not the mythic rioting populaces comprising miners and tractor drivers.

[Husar]

I have no knowledge of the details of all these canards, so can't judge how guilty were the western media. And I doubt greatly they are ordered by the authorities what to write. Unlike the Russian ones.

That's because the people who own the western media, tell both the media AND the government what to do.
So just like in Russia.

[Gilrandir]

That's because the people who own the western media, tell both the media AND the government what to do.
So just like in Russia.

In Russia government ARE the people who own media.