Ukraine Thread

**Gilrandir** · 06-04-2016, 14:51

Originally Posted by Brenus

"The girl was on trial IN KUWAIT." No. She gave the testimony in US in front of US media. The story was completely invented by the media to prepare the opinion to go to war...
The Maginot line in Iraq wasn't real. The Weapons of Mass Destruction were not real... The Horse Shoes operation in Kosovo wasn't real. The mass graves in the mines were not real (Kosovo again). Sarajevo wasn't totally surrounded by the Bosnian Serbs. And I can carry on. Disinformation and deception are now (if it wasn't always) the major tools of Media all at the order of the powers...

I have no knowledge of the details of all these canards, so can't judge how guilty were the western media. And I doubt greatly they are ordered by the authorities what to write. Unlike the Russian ones.

And off topic - how "civil" was/is the war in Donbas: a commemorative plaque put up in Russia to honor Russian soldiers killed in Donetsk airport after the Ukrainian spetznaz evicted those who had captured it. Pay attention to the date - the very beginning of the armed conflict and the first shootout in Donetsk.

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So this is who started it all, not the mythic rioting populaces comprising miners and tractor drivers.

**Husar** · 06-04-2016, 15:50

Originally Posted by Gilrandir

I have no knowledge of the details of all these canards, so can't judge how guilty were the western media. And I doubt greatly they are ordered by the authorities what to write. Unlike the Russian ones.

That's because the people who own the western media, tell both the media AND the government what to do.
So just like in Russia.

**Gilrandir** · 06-04-2016, 16:17

Originally Posted by Husar

That's because the people who own the western media, tell both the media AND the government what to do.
So just like in Russia.

In Russia government ARE the people who own media.

**Husar** · 06-04-2016, 16:21

Originally Posted by Gilrandir

In Russia government ARE the people who own media.

Glad we agree then.

**Fragony** · 06-06-2016, 06:14

Don't know if it's true and the article is behind a paywall, but according to the UN the Ukrainian government is torturing people on a pretty massive scale in special fascilities. That makes the association treaty with the EU all the more laughable if true.

**Gilrandir** · 06-06-2016, 10:31

Originally Posted by Fragony

Don't know if it's true and the article is behind a paywall, but according to the UN the Ukrainian government is torturing people on a pretty massive scale in special fascilities. That makes the association treaty with the EU all the more laughable if true.

The whole report: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Count...MMU_Report.pdf

Both sides are suspected of violence, yet evidence on both sides is based on personal interviews. Don't know if those can be treated as accurate.

**Gilrandir** · 06-06-2016, 14:27

Originally Posted by Fragony

That makes the association treaty with the EU all the more laughable if true.

I don't see how the UN report bears on association agreement. Jail tortures are disclosed from time to time around the world, even on the territory of the EU countries (https://dearkitty1.wordpress.com/201...scovered-2011/), but neither of those countries was kicked out of the EU, nor the USA's reputation of a beacon of democracy suffered a deathblow after the Guantanamo jail uproar. After all, secret services are notorious for their underhanded methods, especially those which stem from the Soviet KGB.

**Gilrandir** · 06-06-2016, 15:11

The head of the Russian duma says Russians are oppressed and discriminated in the former USSR, including Belarus: http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com...-russians.html
An ordinary lip service?