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    A new mural was spotted in Belgrade.
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=30b_1478525913
    Will a Serb now voice his dissatisfaction that Bandera "is glorified" in Ukraine?
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    For the first post, that wasn't at all what he was saying, but I don't really care about your opinion. Whenever you become too obnoxious, the thread turns into you communicating with yourself by posting link after link. If that's ok with you, go right ahead.

    As far as second post is concerned, I have no idea who the guy is and what he has to do with Bandera.

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    "And I wanted Brenus to explain it." Err, why should have to explain your mental process? Be responsible for your words, I am for mine.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    For the first post, that wasn't at all what he was saying, but I don't really care about your opinion.
    You saw what you saw and it doesn't mean it was the way you saw. Like it was with Putin's words on Crimea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Whenever you become too obnoxious, the thread turns into you communicating with yourself by posting link after link.
    You forgot what you taught me, Master: attack the argument, not the person.

    As for "communicating with yourself": while not idealizing myself and my style of posting I see other reasons for such development: people just lost interest in the topic. So if I see anything that I consider worth posting I do post it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    As far as second post is concerned, I have no idea who the guy is and what he has to do with Bandera.
    He is a war (and not only) criminal who seems to be now glorified in Serbia (the very thing you cautioned Ukrainians against giving Bandera as an example).

    http://mashable.com/2015/04/09/russi.../#XxOx4HL.skqH


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    "And I wanted Brenus to explain it." Err, why should have to explain your mental process? Be responsible for your words, I am for mine.
    MY mental process? You make mutually exclusive claims (Montenegro isn't worth accepting into NATO and NATO is not that stupid to fail to see the worthlessness of Montenegro as a NATO member) and want ME to explain it?
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    "Montenegro isn't worth accepting into NATO and NATO is not that stupid to fail to see the worthlessness of Montenegro as a NATO member" These are your words, not mine. Quote?
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    MY mental process? You make mutually exclusive claims (Montenegro isn't worth accepting into NATO and NATO is not that stupid to fail to see the worthlessness of Montenegro as a NATO member) and want ME to explain it?
    I wouldn't call them mutually exclusive if you allow for the existence of some degree of altruism, pride and perhaps also strategic location and public image.
    It can be worthless in terms of military contribution, or that is how I understood it, but it still helps the NATO portrayal of a safety umbrella for those who feel threatened and is therefore a worthy member.
    By the way, too lazy to check the originals now, but the two positions you "quoted" there basically say the same thing, that NATO shouldn't/wouldn't accept Montenegro.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "Montenegro isn't worth accepting into NATO and NATO is not that stupid to fail to see the worthlessness of Montenegro as a NATO member" These are your words, not mine. Quote?
    Be my guest:

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Montegro: 622,000 hbts.
    US (NATO) base in Kosovo.
    Really, what would be the interest of Montenegro for NATO? Naval Bases? Croatia would be more than happy to offer that... And Croatia has all the former military naval ports built by Tito.

    The only thing worth to fight for in Montenegro is olive oil and Malboro made in Russia smuggling....
    Ergo: Montenegro is worthless for NATO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "So NATO is inveterately stupid in accepting Montenegro?" No.
    Ergo: NATO is not that stupid to see Montenegro is worthless for it.

    Yet we know NATO IS COOPTING Montenegro. How come?

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I wouldn't call them mutually exclusive if you allow for the existence of some degree of altruism, pride and perhaps also strategic location and public image.
    It can be worthless in terms of military contribution, or that is how I understood it, but it still helps the NATO portrayal of a safety umbrella for those who feel threatened and is therefore a worthy member.
    This is how I see it. Not so Brenus.
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    "Ergo: Montenegro is worthless for NATO." No. Your words, not my quote. Your opinion is a country populated of 600,000 inhabitants (hbts) is worthless, not mine.
    "How come?" That is easy to answer: To bite Russia.

    "I wouldn't call them mutually exclusive if you allow for the existence of some degree of altruism, pride and perhaps also strategic location and public image." Altruism? We speak of the same NATO? Strategic location? Did you had a look on a map, recently? Public image, perhaps.
    Montenegro feel threatened by whom?
    And can I remind you that two NATO member-states of NATO and more or less at war? So much of the "safety umbrella" .
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    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

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