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    Brenus/Gilrandir:

    Have you considered marriage? The two of you are starting to sound like an old married couple, locked into the same endless argument for the rest of their lives.
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    "The two of you are starting to sound like an old married couple" Well, I tried in vain to stay out, but sometimes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Brenus/Gilrandir:

    Have you considered marriage? The two of you are starting to sound like an old married couple, locked into the same endless argument for the rest of their lives.
    More logical development would be a divorce, wouldn't it?
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    A follow-up on "the Montenergo coup" - officials take it seriously (some even resign):
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tion-coup-plot

    They even mention names of people (Eduard Shirokov and Vladimir Popov) who are alleged organizers of the coup.

    And this, evidently, doesn't bode well for Ukraine:
    http://www.vox.com/2016/11/17/136732...clinton-turkey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    More logical development would be a divorce, wouldn't it?
    Your "classic" old married couple would never do that -- they love the argument too much to actually end it.
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    This is even more disquieting:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d78_story.html

    Like Trump, Flynn has advocated forging closer ties with Russia. In interviews with The Washington Post, Flynn acknowledged being paid to give a speech and attend a lavish anniversary party for the Kremlin-controlled RT television network in Moscow last year, where he was seated next to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin.
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    Can we say that Russian Foreign Office's spokesperson is a nazi/anti-semite?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...iracy-after-t/
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    What's happening in Kiev these days? I've found a few mentions of riots and clashes between the police and protesters, rubber bullets, tear gas, the whole nine yards, but media in English is surprisingly silent about that.

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    A quick look suggests the militiamen don't want peace with the separatists, which is not unexpected.

    On the topic of Montenegro, it contains a significant chunk of Adriatic Coast and it's part of the old province of Illyria - both reasons to want it in NATO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Can't wait the Western powers to express their indignation and protest about this unmotivated unilateral decision.
    Chill out. As the events of the last 2.5 years have shown, the West will not move further than expressing indignation and protest. On a second thought it will - I forgot grave concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    What's happening in Kiev these days? I've found a few mentions of riots and clashes between the police and protesters, rubber bullets, tear gas, the whole nine yards, but media in English is surprisingly silent about that.
    http://www.unian.info/kiev/1636182-c...ry-events.html
    http://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-eurom.../28130367.html
    Now everything calmed down.
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