Ukraine Thread

[Brenus]

You can repeat it as long you want. The project was to ban the Communist Party as expressed by the Nazi in charge. Communist party was ban.
The result is what you denied. Ukraine banned a political Party (decommunisation laws). Fact you were contesting against all evidence. And fact which happened.

24 Jul 2015
Pavel Petrenko has signed a decree banning all communist parties from participating in elections in the country.
“You know, I think today is the day of historical justice. Today the minister has signed the decision according to legislation adopted by the Upper Rada [upper chamber of the Ukrainian parliament]. In accordance with this law communist parties lose their right to take part in political and election processes,” the secretary of Ukraine’s national security council Aleksandr Turchinov said during a briefing on Friday.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

One word "labeling" attacks....again? That makes BOTH of you recidivists.

[Brenus]

One word "labeling" attacks....again? That makes BOTH of you recidivists.

Well, Gilrandir refuses to stand-up to his opinions, comments and analyses. So, someone has to put him in front of what he claimed and confront him with the reality.
I am not sure it will give results however.
Russian tanks are still not rolling to Berlin.
US troops are now at the borders of Russia.

[Gilrandir]

You can repeat it as long you want. The project was to ban the Communist Party as expressed by the Nazi in charge. Communist party was ban.
The result is what you denied. Ukraine banned a political Party (decommunisation laws). Fact you were contesting against all evidence. And fact which happened.

I never denied it was banned. It was. But WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING IT it wasn't. Perform the reality check. Although I admit that your reality may be somewhat different from the reality others live in. Much like Putin's.

24 Jul 2015
Pavel Petrenko has signed a decree banning all communist parties from participating in elections in the country.
“You know, I think today is the day of historical justice. Today the minister has signed the decision according to legislation adopted by the Upper Rada [upper chamber of the Ukrainian parliament]. In accordance with this law communist parties lose their right to take part in political and election processes,” the secretary of Ukraine’s national security council Aleksandr Turchinov said during a briefing on Friday.

There is no "Upper Rada" in Ukraine. And the Ukrainian parliament is ONE CHAMBER. If you refer to sources like that it is no wonder your reality looks so distorted. And this refers to your post below as well.

Well, Gilrandir refuses to stand-up to his opinions, comments and analyses. So, someone has to put him in front of what he claimed and confront him with the reality.
I am not sure it will give results however.

Russian tanks are still not rolling to Berlin.

Did I claim they would be? If I did I would be very much obliged if you exemplified your reality check with a quote.

US troops are now at the borders of Russia.

Perhaps they are because Russia moved its troops into Crimea and a part of Donbas?

[Brenus]

"There is no "Upper Rada" in Ukraine" Yeah, as it change the reality of the ban...

"Perhaps they are because Russia moved its troops into Crimea and a part of Donbas?" Deployment of US forces was effective BEFORE Crimea...

"Did I claim they would be?" Long time ago, check yourself, be consistent... You denied every you pretend, then ask me to look for it. No thanks...

[Gilrandir]

"There is no "Upper Rada" in Ukraine" Yeah, as it change the reality of the ban...

It shows the reliability of sources you use for your reality check. And as for the ban: we were discussing it in 2014:

Ukraine-in-a-thread

Yours (#3437, September 21, 2014):
Of course, the vibrant Ukrainian Democracy made Communist Party illegal… Remind me someone...

Mine (#3440, the same date):
Again Brenus tells a lie (which he no doubt drew from his reliable sources): it was the faction of the Communist party in the parliament that was disbanded, ostensibly since it didn't have the minimum number stipulated by the law (we all should abide by the law in any situation, especially concerning the parliament, as Sarmatian never tires to remind us).
The prohibition of the party is being on trial still.

Yours (#3442):
“Parliament Speaker Oleksander Turchynov declared yesterday that “[with ten deputies quitting], there are not enough MPs for the faction’s functioning.” He further added that “We have corrected a historical error by disbanding the faction. I hope there will be no more communist ideology in the Ukrainian society.”
But I am the liar.

Mine (#3443):
You had said that the Communist party was illegal. Then you give a quotation that corroborates what I maintain - that the Communist faction was disbanded. Yet the party (not the parlaimentary faction) is still functioning. Turchinov hopes that it will not (future tense, mind you) due to the results of the trial which is still under way.
And you still claim that (read the first sentence).
Liar, liar.


And further on this discussion went. Mind the date - SEPTEMBER 2014. After that Communists took part in the parliamentary elections but didn't make it into the parliament culling 3.88% of votes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrain...ummary_results

And now you go presenting the information of 2015 as the proof that I denied the ban? That's rich.

"Perhaps they are because Russia moved its troops into Crimea and a part of Donbas?" Deployment of US forces was effective BEFORE Crimea...

You used the word "now". Remember?

US troops are now at the borders of Russia.

Like BEFORE they weren't?

"Did I claim they would be?" Long time ago, check yourself, be consistent... You denied every you pretend, then ask me to look for it. No thanks...

In view of what I said above I will not ask you to do anything. All your charges are empty words. In fact, everything you blame me in is applied to you, not to me.

But the most pathetic in it that you are so proud of being able to do "reality checks". This ability fails you again and again. First you saw ethnic cleansings in Ukraine...

Ukraine-in-a-thread #767

Ethnic Cleansing? So Putin is right, he is actually protecting the Russian Minority… And I thought it was a fight for democracy and freedom…


... then you claimed Svoboda had 1/3 seats in the Ukrainian parliament...

Ukraine-in-a-thread #2232

Member of his Nazi Party are. His party, Nazi, has 1/3 of the seat in the Ukrainian Parliament.


Should I remind you of your "successful" reality checks in cases of the unhindered Breton language use and the difference between a language and a dialect? And of a failure to apply it after you claimed Lagarde was one of the worst ministers of Finance in French history? So much for your claim that I predicted Russian tanks rolling to Berlin.

Like I said, your reality and the real world don't match.

[Brenus]

Still Communist Party was banned. That is the reality.
All your comments are just smoke screens. You will never change, and probably happy with it.

[Tristuskhan]

And of a failure to apply it after you claimed Lagarde was one of the worst ministers of Finance in French history?

Just on that one, Brenus and I gave figures of the awful deepening of the national debt during her time in office. If I remember well you answer she may not be responsible for it. I'm still trying to figure how the Ministre des Finances could be ignorant of the disaster brewing. She may have been aware and then she's just one of those b++++++ds who pushed us down and then not to be trusted. Or she may have been unaware and then she's the most incompentent minister of the last century.
Good luck to the World, anyway, with such people in power.