Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
De facto Ukraine recognizes that it can't control some of its territory yet it doesn't make NATO more amenable. I believe you meant de jure?

But anyway, it is inveterately naive to believe that Ukraine will be accepted to NATO after relinquishing the claim on the "rebel areas" (for once because there is the Crimean issue as well - or do you suggest relinquishing that too?) or that it will get any sort of stability or that Russian expansion will be checked. While the current Russian regime is at power Ukraine will get neither of those.
I apologise for not being clearer, what I meant was that Ukraine could De Jure recognise the De Facto situation. I'm not suggesting that Ukraine do this, merely pointing out that the doctrine against "aggressive war" is something Russia has used to its advantage and its erosion reduces that advantage.