Congratulations Sweden

[Fragony]

whatever you want Hussie

[Husar]

whatever you want Hussie

I want you to realize that the number of rapes Sweden submits to the UN is not comparable to the one Mauritania or even Germany submits to the UN:

1. Not every country submits a number at all.
2. Some countries submit a zero or a number very close to zero, do you actually believe that, too?
3. In some countries women fear that they cannot trust the police with such a sensitive subject and/or do not want to appear as victims.
4. In some countries women cannot trust the police and the police will not record their case and/or not believe them.
5. Even if a country has reported cases and trustworthy police, the recording may not take place according to the same rules.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I want you to realize that the number of rapes Sweden submits to the UN is not comparable to the one Mauritania or even Germany submits to the UN:

1. Not every country submits a number at all.
2. Some countries submit a zero or a number very close to zero, do you actually believe that, too?
3. In some countries women fear that they cannot trust the police with such a sensitive subject and/or do not want to appear as victims.
4. In some countries women cannot trust the police and the police will not record their case and/or not believe them.
5. Even if a country has reported cases and trustworthy police, the recording may not take place according to the same rules.

I'd like to extend on this noting that numerous places only use the term "rape" to denote what we in the USA label "stranger rape." Definitions for what should be reported aren't even truly equivalent and then you have to add in all of the reportage limitations noted by Husar above.

A zero rape count is, sadly, even less likely than I'madinnerjacket's enumeration of Iranian homosexuals.

[Husar]

I just found this nice article that shines an interesting light on the whole Sweden-debate this topic started with.
Apparently the problem is that Sweden is only so very tolerant according to its laws and in theory, but in practice minorities, including immigrants, are marginalized, don't get jobs and are often victims of hate crimes.

So the idea to portray the idea of integration of immigrants as a failure of the immigrants to integrate is quite wrong, given that swedish society is not nearly as inclusive as the outside image suggests. What people from the right call the "failed experiment" never actually took off, there was no experiment, just an attempt to start one that most people then rejected and didn't participate in. And now, as usual, the racists blame "the others", whom they refused from the outset, for not integrating well enough, "despite all those efforts" that never actually happened.

Article: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...245833711.html

Like the rest of Europe, Sweden prides itself in its constitutional tradition based on a "respect for the equal worth of all and the liberty and dignity of the individual", as its constitution says.

But as the UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent concluded on its visit to Sweden the same week that the Sweden Democrats forced the country into early elections:

"It is our view that the Swedish philosophy of equality and its public and self-image as a country with non-discrimination and liberal democracy, blinds it to the racism faced by Afro-Swedes and Africans in its midst. No country is free of racism and Sweden is not an exception."

We can conclude that the problem is not too much multiculti, but too little of it, even in Sweden...

[Kadagar_AV]

I just found this nice article that shines an interesting light on the whole Sweden-debate this topic started with.
Apparently the problem is that Sweden is only so very tolerant according to its laws and in theory, but in practice minorities, including immigrants, are marginalized, don't get jobs and are often victims of hate crimes.

So the idea to portray the idea of integration of immigrants as a failure of the immigrants to integrate is quite wrong, given that swedish society is not nearly as inclusive as the outside image suggests. What people from the right call the "failed experiment" never actually took off, there was no experiment, just an attempt to start one that most people then rejected and didn't participate in. And now, as usual, the racists blame "the others", whom they refused from the outset, for not integrating well enough, "despite all those efforts" that never actually happened.

Article: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...245833711.html



We can conclude that the problem is not too much multiculti, but too little of it, even in Sweden...

Oh my... Where to begin.

Frags starts a thread about Sweden... And then other foreigners chip in...

And now Husar beats it up a notch with an Al Jazeera link about Sweden... Yeah, you won the debate there dude



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