An argument for God

[Beskar]

Would you care to explain what's wrong with Tiaexz's argument? I'm not smart enough to figure it out myself.

Being honest, I am not sure either.

Since my argument is "We do not know" and that we simply do not have enough information on the points, trying to place additions on those said-points makes no sense to me. since the said definitions are too narrow. It is akin to suggesting a drop of water is representative of the ocean.

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On a side-note: "Operating outside laws, order and existence, etc" makes this 'God'/Creator supernatural, which basically means there is no logical reasoning behind the occurrence and doesn't operate within the natural order.

But by the virtue of doing an action, there is a cause and effect, which is explained by logic and therefore has a natural order to how it operates.

Therefore, the said creator cannot be supernatural but is part of the natural order.

I have not said that the universe cannot be self-existent, I am simply going with the scientific consensus which says that it is not, and that it had a creation from which it began.

The Universe isn't the 'end-all'. There are the likes of Stephen Hawking suggesting this is a pocket-universe within another Universe which follows a different set of physics to our own. This is why I said "at which point" in regards to your first point.

As for "What is the first Universe" to your later comment, I said it is possible that there isn't infact a start. There is also the point that 'Time' is merely the breakdown of order within our Universe via entropy. This may not affect anything greater, or be part of the said greater system.

Can a timeless being change the past and the future? Does a timeless being having direct "access" to all points in our time mean that all points in time exist simultaneously on a meta level that we cannot grasp?

If you take this a step-further, it would lead to a very sadistic 'creator', which is basically using Planet Earth for its amusement in 'The Sims: Real Life Edition' except it actually knows all the outcomes already and allows people to suffer needlessly for giggles.