Actually, it does.Open carry does not equal weapon in hand or reaching for.
Re: Why are black people running around with fake weapons?
Actually, it does.Open carry does not equal weapon in hand or reaching for.
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Against policemen?Originally Posted by Montmorency
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A handful of seconds is enough to make such a judgement?Against policemen?
The issue is the perfunctory nature of warnings given, if at all given.
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LOL...
Yes, a handful of seconds is enough... Heck, half a second is enough if someone seemingly reach for a gun or lunge at you.
I guess you live in an academic lala land, and have no experience with real threat situations.
I have been aiming an assault rifle at a person, and I would have shot him instantly had he done anything stupid.
Why? Because that was my JOB, and I want to get home around 5 o'clock and be with the people I love. I think this is the point people like you just don't get.
Last edited by Kadagar_AV; 11-27-2014 at 02:42.
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Then, uh, maybe don't pull up the car right next to the individual? Maybe use a loudspeaker?Yes, a handful of seconds is enough... Heck, half a second is enough if someone seemingly reach for a gun or lunge at you.
Your mindset is unbelievably rigid. You can't imagine any other way to respond to a possible threat as a cop than to immediately get on the scene and shoot first, ask questions later?
To say nothing of the fact that with white individuals police are much more 'understanding'.
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Maybe they pulled up next to, as there were civilians in the line of shooting, and they wanted the car between innocents and the perpetrator? I don't know how it is over there, but here police cars are bullet proof (well, to an extent).
How effin hard can it be to understand that if the police show up, you have most likely done something wrong, and REGARDLESS you should cooperate. In a meeting with the police, being polite is ALWAYS the right choice.
Heck, I was in the US and did a completely wrong move driving... In Sweden it would have been correct though.
Next thing I see is flashing lights...
I at once pulled over, and rolled my window down. The officer came, and I explained that I was from Sweden (he looked at my passport) and that I really had no idea that was unlawful there (something about a U-turn).
He told me it is, and not to repeat it, then he wished me a nice vacation. Heck, he even called me "sir".
Last edited by Kadagar_AV; 11-27-2014 at 03:11.
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I'm not sure I understand Montmorency's point about prefuctory warnings. Is a cop supposed to say to everyone he or she meets, "Don't draw a weapon, or a toy weapon, or look like you are drawing a weapon or toy weapon or I will have to shoot you?" I don't think that threatening everyone on sight is going to help relations between cops and the public much. Or is he or she supposed to spend 3 or 4 seconds saying that while someone finishes drawing the weapon and shoots the cop dead? Yes, a few seconds (or sometimes maybe a split second) is not enough time to makes such a judgement, but sometimes that is all the time the cop gets.
In those simple times there was a great wonder and mystery in life. Man walked in fear and solemnity, with Heaven very close above his head, and Hell below his very feet. God's visible hand was everywhere, in the rainbow and the comet, in the thunder and the wind. The Devil too raged openly upon the earth; he skulked behind the hedge-rows in the gloaming; he laughed loudly in the night-time; he clawed the dying sinner, pounced on the unbaptized babe, and twisted the limbs of the epileptic. A foul fiend slunk ever by a man's side and whispered villainies in his ear, while above him there hovered an angel of grace . . .
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Looks like you posted an answer before I finished asking my question. Loudspeakers are probably not always a practical solution in real life policing, but might be sometimes.
In those simple times there was a great wonder and mystery in life. Man walked in fear and solemnity, with Heaven very close above his head, and Hell below his very feet. God's visible hand was everywhere, in the rainbow and the comet, in the thunder and the wind. The Devil too raged openly upon the earth; he skulked behind the hedge-rows in the gloaming; he laughed loudly in the night-time; he clawed the dying sinner, pounced on the unbaptized babe, and twisted the limbs of the epileptic. A foul fiend slunk ever by a man's side and whispered villainies in his ear, while above him there hovered an angel of grace . . .
Arthur Conan Doyle
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That's rather silly.I'm not sure I understand Montmorency's point about prefuctory warnings. Is a cop supposed to say to everyone he or she meets, "Don't draw a weapon, or a toy weapon, or look like you are drawing a weapon or toy weapon or I will have to shoot you?" I don't think that threatening everyone on sight is going to help relations between cops and the public much. Or is he or she supposed to spend 3 or 4 seconds saying that while someone finishes drawing the weapon and shoots the cop dead? Yes, a few seconds (or sometimes maybe a split second) is not enough time to makes such a judgement, but sometimes that is all the time the cop gets.
Police get a call - someone walking around with a firearm.
How to respond:
1. Cordon off and evacuate the immediate area, announce through amplified speech to the individual in question what the situation is, allow appropriate time to respond.
2. Pull up in a car right next to the individual in question, begin shooting before you even finish uttering the warning.
The fact of the matter is that no one advocates for the second, not even the "BUT THE COPS FEEL THREATENED" types. Why? Because we understand as a society that we can not begin with lethal force when the situation is ambiguous.
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You are assuming a specific situation which may or may not apply. Sometimes a cop doesn't know that there is a firearm in question until the bullets are already flying. Like I said, sometimes a loudspeaker may be the appropriate solution. Not always. Believe me, if there was one safe easy way that always worked, the cops would be using it. They don't want to get shot either.
In those simple times there was a great wonder and mystery in life. Man walked in fear and solemnity, with Heaven very close above his head, and Hell below his very feet. God's visible hand was everywhere, in the rainbow and the comet, in the thunder and the wind. The Devil too raged openly upon the earth; he skulked behind the hedge-rows in the gloaming; he laughed loudly in the night-time; he clawed the dying sinner, pounced on the unbaptized babe, and twisted the limbs of the epileptic. A foul fiend slunk ever by a man's side and whispered villainies in his ear, while above him there hovered an angel of grace . . .
Arthur Conan Doyle
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There's a huge difference between that situation and what we can see happening in the video I linked.How effin hard can it be to understand that if the police show up, you have most likely don't something wrong, and REGARDLESS you should cooperate. In a meeting with the police, being polite is ALWAYS the right choice.
Heck, I was in the US and did a completely wrong move driving... In Sweden it would have been correct though.
Next thing I see is flashing lights...
I at once pulled over, and rolled my window down. The officer came, and I explained that I was from Sweden (he looked at my passport) and that I really had no idea that was unlawful there (something about a U-turn).
He told me it is, and not to repeat it, then he wished me a nice vacation. Heck, he even called me "sir".
Analogously, what if that policeman had yelled out of the car "Stop right now", then immediately rear-ended you in an attempt to push you off the road, while blasting his sidearm from the window like Dirty Harry?
Unreasonable, no?
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Monty, if you look at the video the perp had time to understand the situation.
In the video it also shows how the perp aimed what looked like a gun at people... Also he had his HOODIE UP making it hard to tell age.
As a policeman, driving up next to someone with a "maybe" weapon to get civilians safe is a very brave move.
The perp didn't cooperate, and was shot dead.
I blame it on bad parents and general US black culture.
Your example with rear ending and Dirty harry is just morose, I won't go to the level to address it more than if a cop acted that way, he wouldn't be able to stay for long in the police. Do you SERIOUSLY believe policemen can go on a rampage or two, or three... Without some superior officer raising and eyebrow and start questioning....
Wow, you really have no idea how the police work.
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So you hated the job? =pLOL...
Yes, a handful of seconds is enough... Heck, half a second is enough if someone seemingly reach for a gun or lunge at you.
I guess you live in an academic lala land, and have no experience with real threat situations.
I have been aiming an assault rifle at a person, and I would have shot him instantly had he done anything stupid.
Why? Because that was my JOB, and I want to get home around 5 o'clock and be with the people I love. I think this is the point people like you just don't get.
Re: Why is the danger of fake weapons ignored?
Unreckognisable weapons are worse, shooting pens, phones that are really a gun, that sort of stuff. I got an iphone that is really a taser, police will never see that it's a taser. Tasers are pretty harmless but a slow .22 is nasty.
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