Hostage Situation in Sydney CBD at Lindt Cafe

[Kadagar_AV]

A bit of wind from the wrong direction, a bent window through which the light doesn't pass in a straight line or a sudden movement the moment you pull the trigger and you have one headless hostage and an incredibly enraged hostage taker. A hidden accomplice among the hostages and you have a whole lot of dead people. No, still doesn't look good as long as he is not likely to kill anyone immediately.

Once we can beam people, these situations will be easy to resolve.

Seriously, what you write is just stupid.

You might aswell go up to the Islamic terrorist and try to put a flower in his gun.

I am a military trained marksman, and I can assure you that a kill-shot could have easily been made, without risking the hostages (REALLY, you think a trained sniper would pull if there was a risk!!?? )

You, my dear sir, seem blinded by your ideology.

I of course full heartedly agree that the police should strive for a result where everyone get out alive, perpetrator included.

However, when you deal with obvious islamist fanatics, in a hostage situation, there is only one sound answer.

Personally, I would have made the shot.

Recent history seems to prove me right.

[Kadagar_AV]

A bit of wind from the wrong direction, a bent window through which the light doesn't pass in a straight line or a sudden movement the moment you pull the trigger and you have one headless hostage and an incredibly enraged hostage taker

Seriously, read up on modern warfare and weapon technology + modern sniper training.

A bit of wind or a bent window is calculated for when making the shot.

And the parameters are easily handled by a trained marksman.


It's not like you make a killshot in a hostage situation if you are 80% sure it will work.

My bet is that the snipers were under order not to act, AS USUAL.

Mainly because of people like you.

[Husar]

I know, I'm the problem.

I'm sorry for the people I hurt in this.

No wait, you're the hawkish, blodthirsty military-trained killer who wants to kill a confused old man because his rifle is too short and he didn't get to penetrate anyone with it in a long time and that makes him feel inadequate!!!111

So what if the guy stayed away from windows? Do you shoot through the hostages standing in the windows to hit him? What if the bullet shatters the windows, sending millions of deadly splinters ricocheting through the room before it hits a gas pipe and the whole building explodes?

[Papewaio]

Officially confirmed two dead hostages plus the criminal.

Official cause of death to be confirmed by the coroner.

Lots of positive backlash started yesterday against the Muslim community which has seen a large reach out from all the rest of society at all levels to stand together. From a large interfaith meeting last night to using social media for positive bridge building is #illridewithyou.

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On Sunday I was at Martin Place to see the Christmass tree there with my children, then we walked up Pitt St to see the Lego Xmas tree and then to the David Jones display. Martin Place is an important almost iconic area within the Sydney CBD. Most of you and would have seen it without even knowing so... The Matrix women in red scene was filmed in Martin Place.

My best wishes go out to the friends and family of all the hostages involved in this attack and in particular to the ones of the two dead hostages.

[Fragony]

Condoleances Australia

[Kadagar_AV]

I know, I'm the problem.

I'm sorry for the people I hurt in this.

No wait, you're the hawkish, blodthirsty military-trained killer who wants to kill a confused old man because his rifle is too short and he didn't get to penetrate anyone with it in a long time and that makes him feel inadequate!!!111

So what if the guy stayed away from windows? Do you shoot through the hostages standing in the windows to hit him? What if the bullet shatters the windows, sending millions of deadly splinters ricocheting through the room before it hits a gas pipe and the whole building explodes?

Yes, I am the horribly evil military trained killer.

Under my watch we'd however probably have 1 perp dead with 0 innocents killed and 0 innocents injured. THE HORROR!!

Is that bloodthirsty and hawkish

If he stayed away from windows (which I heard he didnt at times), you still have options. They had plenty of time to get professional people and gear in place.

Would you shoot through the hostages? Now that question from you is just retarded. The answer is: No.

Your last doomsday scenario with splinters and gas pipes are just ignant. You're on level with Frags when it comes to Hollywood scenarios here.



My thoughts go out to the people killed and injured.











PS: I am sure there is at least one TOG operative who is right now cursing his superiors and general protocol.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Kadagar:

Aussies, in general, are a pretty competent lot. If they had had a clear shot, it would have been taken and the issue resolved. The visible hostages were, of course, positioned to prevent just such a shot.

Once they decided on dynamic entry as opposed to waiting him out, it became a horrific sort of race. Fortunately, they put the alleged (I know, but proprieties should be observed) hostage taker down and out before too many died. Sadly, even one is too many on other levels. Sad day.

[Kadagar_AV]

Kadagar:

Aussies, in general, are a pretty competent lot. If they had had a clear shot, it would have been taken and the issue resolved. The visible hostages were, of course, positioned to prevent just such a shot.

Once they decided on dynamic entry as opposed to waiting him out, it became a horrific sort of race. Fortunately, they put the alleged (I know, but proprieties should be observed) hostage taker down and out before too many died. Sadly, even one is too many on other levels. Sad day.

AFAIK they entered when one of the hostages tried to grapple the "suspects" shotgun...

Judging by the video here they seemed to, well, be totally unprepared...

Basically "throw in some guys and some shock grenades and hope for the best". The fact that one of the police got injured speaks in my favour.

I'm SO not impressed how this was handled tactically.


With todays technique I would be utterly surprised if they didn't get a clear shot because of operational reasons. I think they had their hands tied.

Well, that or the Aussie tactical police suck. Judging from the video that might well be the case.

*weren't they trained by SAS historically and now last before the Olympics!?*

[Husar]

Maybe it was also not the best idea of that guy to try and wrestle the "suspect"?

The result certainly isn't in his favor given that he is dead. What's really sad is that another woman died and several people got injured.
I'm glad it's over for the rest, but a better outcome would have been preferable.