France Shoot-Out

[Kadagar_AV]

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[Kadagar_AV]

I would love for one of the world leading Imams, to take a woman in the hand (without gloves, mind you), and openly say that he absolutely do NOT wish these french terrorists to get 72 virgins in heaven... And that he absolutely despise attacks on the free word.
Will that happen anytime soon? Nope.

Hence I don't like islam. And hence it's hard for me to accept its followers.

[Montmorency]

I would love for one of the world's leading atheists to take a child by the hand (with gloves, mind you) and openly say that he absolutely does NOT wish to rape 72 children on Earth...And that he absolutely despises attacks on the free word.

Will that happen anytime soon? Nope.

Hence atheism sucks.

[Kadagar_AV]

I would love for one of the world's leading atheists to take a child by the hand (with gloves, mind you) and openly say that he absolutely does NOT wish to rape 72 children on Earth...And that he absolutely despises attacks on the free word.

Will that happen anytime soon? Nope.

Hence atheism sucks.

Yeah... Not really comparable mate...

But if asked, I am quite sure many an atheist would be glad to do it, to prove a point. BTW muslim terrorists get 72 virgins, not children, and it's not rape as they get them as wives (their logic, not mine) ...

Regardless, yes, I can totally see atheists do that. I for one would do it without hesitation :)


EDITED: Why would an atheist need gloves to touch someones hand? Last I checked that is an Islamic thing, not wanting to touch women by the hand. Don't read me wrong, an atheist would gladly put on some gloves if it was required for sensible reasons.... But what would those be, really? Outside of an ebola camp?

[Husar]

A pretty disgusting deed, and a very predictable response by some...

As for the cancer analogy, please check how many people die from cancer in the western world every year on average and how many die from islamic terrorism in the same timeframe.

[Kadagar_AV]

A pretty disgusting deed, and a very predictable response by some...

As for the cancer analogy, please check how many people die from cancer in the western world every year on average and how many die from islamic terrorism in the same timeframe.

That's not what the cancer reference opt at. C'mon, you know better.

A cancer, something rotten in the body of society... Why you need me to spell it out for you?

Islamism can be a rotting disease in society, without it killing as many people as the literal cancer does, no?

Or is your best defense that "Islam don't kill as many people as cancer does!!" If so, do you expect a golfclap, or what? Is that anything ever resembling a defense for Islam? That it kills less people in the western world than cancer does?

[Husar]

That's not what the cancer reference opt at. C'mon, you know better.

A cancer, something rotten in the body of society... Why you need me to spell it out for you?

Islamism can be a rotting disease in society, without it killing as many people as the literal cancer does, no?

Or is your best defense that "Islam don't kill as many people as cancer does!!" If so, do you expect a golfclap, or what? Is that anything ever resembling a defense for Islam? That it kills less people in the western world than cancer does?

No, the question is, if the few people Islam kills rile you up so you have to mention it several times a month, shouldn't the forum be full of posts from you complaining about how we still aren't investing enough money into cancer research?
Why does the minuscule problem attract such an amount of anger while the elephant in the room is just accepted?
Just because cancer doesn't have a personality?

And I'm being rather generous by going with Islam here, others have already mentioned that only a small percentage interprete that religion as a call to kill others. To think that this warrants to call the entire religion rotten is quite a stretch. How many christianist extremist children die every year because their parents refuse to have them vaccinated or refuse blood transfusions etc.?
How many atheist children die because their parents also do not believe in vaccinations? What about all the atheist capitalists who kill 40k germans a year due to sub-standard hospital hygiene that allows multi-resistant germs to prosper?

If less than a hundred dead people a year warrants to call an entire religion rotten then surely all people who participate in capitalist economies are a cancer upon humanity?

[KukriKhan]

The Text to is I

[Montmorency]

Yeah... Not really comparable mate...

But if asked, I am quite sure many an atheist would be glad to do it, to prove a point. BTW muslim terrorists get 72 virgins, not children, and it's not rape as they get them as wives (their logic, not mine) ...

Regardless, yes, I can totally see atheists do that. I for one would do it without hesitation :)


EDITED: Why would an atheist need gloves to touch someones hand? Last I checked that is an Islamic thing, not wanting to touch women by the hand. Don't read me wrong, an atheist would gladly put on some gloves if it was required for sensible reasons.... But what would those be, really? Outside of an ebola camp?

The idea is that such a gesture would not only be meaningless, but it would be insulting. It would legitimize both sets of extremists while contributing nothing to the situation.

It's exactly the same logic that has led some Americans to reason that 'if Obama doesn't show us his birth certificate, then he must be the Antichrist.' The truth is, the birth certificate is a complete red herring and those who believe him to be the Antichrist have gone on believing so even after he has stooped to address them.

Now multiply the logic by billions of Muslims, and we come to the point where people are practically demanding that random Muslims personally apologize to them for events that have as much to do with them as they do with the selection of astronauts to board the ISS.

P.S. The gloves are obviously so you don't get your dirty atheist pedophile taint on the poor kid, whom you'll probably abduct and eat as soon as the cameras are off so don't you dare even try it!

[Kadagar_AV]

Holding a woman in the hand?

Saying they oppose attacks on the free word?



Really.

No, REALLY, you guys chose to go in defensive mode against that? With all kinds of tongue-twisting ways...



How effin hard should it be to accept that women are equal in rights, and that the world is a better place when the press can work without threats or infringements of their (supposedly) rights?


Just what are you defending here?



For crying out loud, let me be in opposition of people who think elsewise. Why? Because they are a CANCER to the world. Does anyone really have an argument against that? Does anyone here actually stand up for these extremist beliefs?

If so we can have an argument about that, till then though... PUH-leaze...

[Ice]

Argh shades of grey like usual... not much changed here at the org :)

What a terrible massacre. The Frenchmen who would not bow to these animals are true heroes.

[Kadagar_AV]

Argh shades of grey like usual... not much changed here at the org :)

What a terrible massacre. The Frenchmen who would not bow to these animals are true heroes.

What shades of grey?

In my world free press = white.

Kill free press = black.

No shades there, pure black and white colour.

[Montmorency]

Saying they oppose attacks on the free word?

As expected, the fact that they have been doing that all along means nothing to you. It has to be some big public stunt of abasement, a plea for mercy wrapped up in an apology.

Simply stating, "We disagree with extremism" = "Islam is cancer" to people like you. The fact that you demand more shows that you simply are not to be satisfied.

[Kadagar_AV]

As expected, the fact that they have been doing that all along means nothing to you. It has to be some big public stunt of abasement, a plea for mercy wrapped up in an apology.

Simply stating, "We disagree with extremism" = "Islam is cancer" to people like you. The fact that you demand more shows that you simply are not to be satisfied.

Huh?

I'd like the muslim leaders in and around the world to clearly state that they do NOT accept attacks on free media. Media should be able to portray Muhammad all they want.

At the very least, I'd like Imams working in western societies to at least acknowledge this very basic aspect of a free press...

Is this to much to ask for?

You say they have already done it... Source, if you so mind? I've heard nothing about that.

I dare you to source that Muhammad paintings or satire is OK according to leading Imams...

[CrossLOPER]

I'd like the muslim leaders in and around the world to..

Hey? You know what armed fanatics respect the most?

Opinions!!!

[Fragony]

A pretty disgusting deed, and a very predictable response by some...

As for the cancer analogy, please check how many people die from cancer in the western world every year on average and how many die from islamic terrorism in the same timeframe.

How many cells are unaffected if you got cancer

edit, at least they caught one, unsurpringly a returnee. Madness that they are allowed to get back.

[Brenus]

"I would love for one of the world's leading atheists" Atheism not being a religion, there is no leading atheists. Atheists have no books to follow, no rules to implement, no doctrine to impose.
By the way, the killed cartoonists in France were atheist, they were "lefties", some known anarchists.

[Fragony]

They weren't killed because they were lefties so how is that worth mentioning. They were killed because they drew satirical pictures.

[Gilrandir]

Atheists have ... no doctrine to impose.

How about "be nice to everyone nonwithstanding his/her faith/absence of it"?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Once again, the problem is not the religion per se of Muslim immigrants, but of their social conservativism.

Ultimately, the most damage done will be through the accelerating regression of our native and relatively-tame right-wings as a direct consequence of contact.

Ultimately, the most damage done will be through the marginalization of people's anger, which only promotes further political polarization. Is blaming Islam correct? No. Is curbing immigration from Islamic countries pragmatic? Probably. We get it, Islam is not monolithic. But the fact is that it is Islamic radicalism which is waging guerrilla warfare on the West, on a much more organized and much larger scale than any other ideology. This is the conflict we have on our hands and this is what is resonating with people.

[Fragony]

Is blaming Islam correct? No.

Why exactly

[a completely inoffensive name]

Why exactly

Because it's not really the Islam that drives them but the socio economic conditions they live in. It was not that long ago the west had plenty of anarchist bombers and terrorists, but their violence was not really due to anarchy philosophy but because of the shit conditions people lived in during the 1800s.

[Fragony]

Because it's not really the Islam that drives them but the socio economic conditions they live in.

And what makes you think so, you just decided that?

[Husar]

You say they have already done it... Source, if you so mind? I've heard nothing about that.

Well, you can't exactly hear written words, but maybe if you send him a ticket and a friendly letter, he will come to your house and say it to you in person?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053625764

How many cells are unaffected if you got cancer

So you're going to vote for the dutch communist party next

[Fragony]

I am sure that somehow makes sense.

You die from cancer because vital organs are affected, not because the whole body is sick. In this case freedom of expression. So it perfectly makes sense to call islam a cancer.

[Husar]

I am sure that somehow makes sense.

You die from cancer because vital organs are affected, not because the whole body is sick. In this case freedom of expression. So it perfectly makes sense to call islam a cancer.

Yes, capitalism is an even bigger cancer, just look up the number of murders committed to enrich oneself. Or just look up the murders committed in biger cities every year. 12 people is pretty much nothing that should scare us all and three people doing it says nothing about all the others. If my neighbor poisons his rich wife to get her money that doesn't mean I'm going to do it as well just because I believe that capitalism is better than communism just like he did.
People protest on the streets over 12 deaths a year in all of Europe. Meanwhile 40k die in German hospitals every year due to infections they got there from bad hygiene. That's 110 people PER DAY on average compared to 12 or so every once in a while. Wouldn't it make more sense to protest against bad hygiene and cost cutting in hospitals first and get enraged over islamism later? How many more lives could be saved that way? Do you always start to tackle the smallest problem first?
Islamist extremists make up a small portion of all muslims which make up a small portion of citizens in western countries, yet somehow they get attraction for their **** like noone else, it's simply completely out of proportion, like we have nothing important to deal with...

[Ice]

What shades of grey?

In my world free press = white.

Kill free press = black.

No shades there, pure black and white colour.

I meant in regards to many of the viewpoints taken as a whole here on the org. It's pretty obvious that killing unarmed journalists is not a good thing.

[Hax]

Just FYI, the police officer that you saw being executed in that video was a Muslim too.

[Fragony]

Yes, capitalism is an even bigger cancer, just look up the number of murders committed to enrich oneself. Or just look up the murders committed in biger cities every year. 12 people is pretty much nothing that should scare us all and three people doing it says nothing about all the others. If my neighbor poisons his rich wife to get her money that doesn't mean I'm going to do it as well just because I believe that capitalism is better than communism just like he did.
People protest on the streets over 12 deaths a year in all of Europe. Meanwhile 40k die in German hospitals every year due to infections they got there from bad hygiene. That's 110 people PER DAY on average compared to 12 or so every once in a while. Wouldn't it make more sense to protest against bad hygiene and cost cutting in hospitals first and get enraged over islamism later? How many more lives could be saved that way? Do you always start to tackle the smallest problem first?
Islamist extremists make up a small portion of all muslims which make up a small portion of citizens in western countries, yet somehow they get attraction for their **** like noone else, it's simply completely out of proportion, like we have nothing important to deal with...

Cars kill even more. But a roadaccident is just that, an accident, not an attack on our way of life. Relativate it all you want but surily you should see that it is a stupid comparison. That only a small number of muslims do this doesn't matter either, your average muslim is more concerned about what's for dinner and cheats during rammadan. But islam means subjection to the ideoligy and that is sometning else entirely. Your ordinary muslim is terrified of these guys and the politically correct who try to relativate everything aren't doing them a favour. Kinda selfish.

The (muslim) mayor of Rotterdam says it best, you can probably understand what he says. Comes down to 'if you don't like it here, go, get the fuck out of here, and never come back'

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven....html#comments

[Husar]

Cars kill even more. But a roadaccident is just that, an accident, not an attack on our way of life. Relativate it all you want but surily you should see that it is a stupid comparison. That only a small number of muslims do this doesn't matter either, your average muslim is more concerned about what's for dinner and cheats during rammadan. But islam means subjection to the ideoligy and that is sometning else entirely. Your ordinary muslim is terrified of these guys and the politically correct who try to relativate everything aren't doing them a favour. Kinda selfish.

IIRC car accidents are around 5k, and I didn't mention them because they are accidents as you say. Could be reduced by using more public transport though, which would also ease the traffic around here, saving my lungs a lot of the harmful particles I have to inhale every day. Bad hospital hygiene is pure neglect on the other hand. They only happen because doctors find it more comfortable not to disinfect their hands between patients and owners find it cheaper not to isolate new patients as you do in the Netherlands. Rather selfish, isn't it?

The other question is why are we so afraid that Islam will kill us instead of all of the other things that actually do kill us all the time every day? Quite a few of which are also easily preventable with a tad bit of effort put into them. Europe has 600 million people, 12 of them died because of some idiots and now 600 million somehow fear that they will have the same fate if they don't protest and make the lives of some minority miserable? Do you remember when the jews were out to get us? How did that turn out?