France Shoot-Out

[Husar]

I am sure that somehow makes sense.

You die from cancer because vital organs are affected, not because the whole body is sick. In this case freedom of expression. So it perfectly makes sense to call islam a cancer.

Yes, capitalism is an even bigger cancer, just look up the number of murders committed to enrich oneself. Or just look up the murders committed in biger cities every year. 12 people is pretty much nothing that should scare us all and three people doing it says nothing about all the others. If my neighbor poisons his rich wife to get her money that doesn't mean I'm going to do it as well just because I believe that capitalism is better than communism just like he did.
People protest on the streets over 12 deaths a year in all of Europe. Meanwhile 40k die in German hospitals every year due to infections they got there from bad hygiene. That's 110 people PER DAY on average compared to 12 or so every once in a while. Wouldn't it make more sense to protest against bad hygiene and cost cutting in hospitals first and get enraged over islamism later? How many more lives could be saved that way? Do you always start to tackle the smallest problem first?
Islamist extremists make up a small portion of all muslims which make up a small portion of citizens in western countries, yet somehow they get attraction for their **** like noone else, it's simply completely out of proportion, like we have nothing important to deal with...

[Fragony]

Yes, capitalism is an even bigger cancer, just look up the number of murders committed to enrich oneself. Or just look up the murders committed in biger cities every year. 12 people is pretty much nothing that should scare us all and three people doing it says nothing about all the others. If my neighbor poisons his rich wife to get her money that doesn't mean I'm going to do it as well just because I believe that capitalism is better than communism just like he did.
People protest on the streets over 12 deaths a year in all of Europe. Meanwhile 40k die in German hospitals every year due to infections they got there from bad hygiene. That's 110 people PER DAY on average compared to 12 or so every once in a while. Wouldn't it make more sense to protest against bad hygiene and cost cutting in hospitals first and get enraged over islamism later? How many more lives could be saved that way? Do you always start to tackle the smallest problem first?
Islamist extremists make up a small portion of all muslims which make up a small portion of citizens in western countries, yet somehow they get attraction for their **** like noone else, it's simply completely out of proportion, like we have nothing important to deal with...

Cars kill even more. But a roadaccident is just that, an accident, not an attack on our way of life. Relativate it all you want but surily you should see that it is a stupid comparison. That only a small number of muslims do this doesn't matter either, your average muslim is more concerned about what's for dinner and cheats during rammadan. But islam means subjection to the ideoligy and that is sometning else entirely. Your ordinary muslim is terrified of these guys and the politically correct who try to relativate everything aren't doing them a favour. Kinda selfish.

The (muslim) mayor of Rotterdam says it best, you can probably understand what he says. Comes down to 'if you don't like it here, go, get the fuck out of here, and never come back'

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven....html#comments

[Husar]

Cars kill even more. But a roadaccident is just that, an accident, not an attack on our way of life. Relativate it all you want but surily you should see that it is a stupid comparison. That only a small number of muslims do this doesn't matter either, your average muslim is more concerned about what's for dinner and cheats during rammadan. But islam means subjection to the ideoligy and that is sometning else entirely. Your ordinary muslim is terrified of these guys and the politically correct who try to relativate everything aren't doing them a favour. Kinda selfish.

IIRC car accidents are around 5k, and I didn't mention them because they are accidents as you say. Could be reduced by using more public transport though, which would also ease the traffic around here, saving my lungs a lot of the harmful particles I have to inhale every day. Bad hospital hygiene is pure neglect on the other hand. They only happen because doctors find it more comfortable not to disinfect their hands between patients and owners find it cheaper not to isolate new patients as you do in the Netherlands. Rather selfish, isn't it?

The other question is why are we so afraid that Islam will kill us instead of all of the other things that actually do kill us all the time every day? Quite a few of which are also easily preventable with a tad bit of effort put into them. Europe has 600 million people, 12 of them died because of some idiots and now 600 million somehow fear that they will have the same fate if they don't protest and make the lives of some minority miserable? Do you remember when the jews were out to get us? How did that turn out?

[Fragony]

IIRC car accidents are around 5k, and I didn't mention them because they are accidents as you say. Could be reduced by using more public transport though, which would also ease the traffic around here, saving my lungs a lot of the harmful particles I have to inhale every day. Bad hospital hygiene is pure neglect on the other hand. They only happen because doctors find it more comfortable not to disinfect their hands between patients and owners find it cheaper not to isolate new patients as you do in the Netherlands. Rather selfish, isn't it?

The other question is why are we so afraid that Islam will kill us instead of all of the other things that actually do kill us all the time every day? Quite a few of which are also easily preventable with a tad bit of effort put into them. Europe has 600 million people, 12 of them died because of some idiots and now 600 million somehow fear that they will have the same fate if they don't protest and make the lives of some minority miserable? Do you remember when the jews were out to get us? How did that turn out?

It isn't about what they are doing but about what we are giving away because we have no answer to it. The only thing that comes to mind is compromise with the circular-reasoning of an F5 tornado. Muslims know it is the islam, and mosques work very closily with the police.

They aren't pokemon you don't HAVE to collect them all unless you are really really into Pokemon.

[Crandar]

Why exactly

Islam is the problem, by being extremely backward and evil, just like every religion, something expected from a 1400 old movement created by ill-educated tribesmen.
The problem is, however, what makes those young men take islam so seriously, despite its obvious ridiculousness, and consider it the best way to improve their quality of life.

The reason behind this is class struggle, war-torn states/protectorates and the western anticommunist campaign during the Cold War, that encourage the Arab generations to seek the solution to their problem in religion and not in social revolution.

[Fragony]

Islam is the problem, by being extremely backward and evil, just like every religion, something expected from a 1400 old movement created by ill-educated tribesmen.
The problem is, however, what makes those young men take islam so seriously, despite its obvious ridiculousness, and consider it the best way to improve their quality of life.

The reason behind this is class struggle, war-torn states/protectorates and the western anticommunist campaign during the Cold War, that encourage the Arab generations to seek the solution to their problem in religion and not in social revolution.

Maybe it's just a free pass for the ugliest of desires? Very handy if you are into these things. Rape whatever you want, kill whoever you want, or both.

[Husar]

It isn't about what they are doing but about what we are giving away because we have no answer to it. The only thing that comes to mind is compromise with the circular-reasoning of an F5 tornado. Muslims know it is the islam, and mosques work very closily with the police.

They aren't pokemon you don't HAVE to collect them all unless you are really really into Pokemon.

What are we giving away? What's an F5 tornado? What do muslims know exactly? Collect what? Why? Where? How? If it's not about what they are doing, what is it about then? What is what about and what is it anyway?

[Fragony]

What is what about and what is it anyway?

Told you what it is. Why don't you tell me what it isn't. You can always tell when someone doesn't know what he's talking about, reflexes. The urge to look at the islam with western eyes. These jihadi's are as welcome as the inquisition for normal muslims but because of political correctness that prevents one to call a spade a spade they have nothing to turn to for help. A comforting squeeze in the shoulder and a pet on the back is just about the most they will ever get from people who insist that the islam is just another religion.

[Husar]

Told you what it is. Why don't you tell me what it isn't. You can always tell when someone doesn't know what he's talking about, reflexes. The urge to look at the islam with western eyes. These jihadi's are as welcome as the inquisition for normal muslims but because of political correctness that prevents one to call a spade a spade they have nothing to turn to for help. A comforting squeeze in the shoulder and a pet on the back is just about the most they will ever get from people who insist that the islam is just another religion.

So muslims are afraid of their own religion? Just tell them that they can convert to christianity then. And you just called a spade a spade, why do you say it can't be done? Are you on some weird trip again where you equate Islam only with the violent islamist terrorism and imply that muslims do not follow Islam or something like that?