France Shoot-Out

[Brenus]

"A cartoon's purpose is always derision/mocking." NOT in French culture. Charlie is as others of this kind highly political. Cartoon is a misleading word. In French, caricatures is not a "bande dessinée" as "Asterix" or "Lucky Luke" are. For Le Canard Enchainé, Charlie and others, a small drawing is better than 1000 words.
As by Daumier:
http://expositions.bnf.fr/daumier/images/3/018.jpg
http://expositions.bnf.fr/daumier/images/3/023_1.jpg

"Why didn't they do that when their staff died?" They did. Stop assuming....
http://media.koreus.com/201501/homma...ie-hebdo-5.jpg
http://media.koreus.com/201501/homma...e-hebdo-20.jpg
http://media.koreus.com/201501/homma...e-hebdo-23.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6w9TFsIQAAiTee.jpg

I can't find the one with the graves and one saying:" Happy New Year, and and good health (the usual sentence in France for new year)", and the other one saying "The cons!!!!!..." (which is milder in French than in English).

"Why would there be indignation when the comparison to the berlin wall is pathetic?" Really? Barbed wires, walls and even armed force at the checked points? But, all right, your opinion.
Magino Line will do (or perhaps not enough bunkers and artillery for your taste), as it is to stop "invaders" to come in.
And you should read the Media just during at least 5 days after the publishing of the picture, it was really a truly and heart-breaking indignation, at least ONE week...

[Greyblades]

"Why would there be indignation when the comparison to the berlin wall is pathetic?" Really? Barbed wires, walls and even armed force at the checked points? But, all right, your opinion.
Magino Line will do (or perhaps not enough bunkers and artillery for your taste), as it is to stop "invaders" to come in.

Actually the only unique feature of the Berlin wall compared to other security borders, aside from the landmines, was the intent of keeping people in as well as out.

And you should read the Media just during at least 5 days after the publishing of the picture, it was really a truly and heart-breaking indignation, at least ONE week...

Heart breaking? You have a fragile heart.

[Brenus]

"Heart breaking? You have a fragile heart." Yeap. Nothing I can do about it, when I see dead children, even foreigners.

[Greyblades]

Dead children? We're talking about hungary's fence not that washed up corpse they found a month or two back.
A fence shouldnt elicit heartbreak in any situation.


As for the kid, you've had access to 100-150 years worth of photographic history your entire life, you'd have to be pretty sheltered to still be so emotionally affected by a picture of a dead body by the time you reach adulthood.

[Brenus]

"We're talking about hungary's fence not that washed up corpse they found a month or two back" Nope. That what I wrote: "As the drawing of the drowned kid was highlighting the fact that less than 2 weeks after his death nobody cared anymore, with Hungary re-creating a Berlin wall, without not any real outcry of indignation of the "free" world." I clearly linked the so call indignation of less than 1 week and the lack of reaction towards the building of a fence designed to stop a successful boy to take shelter in Europe.
If the young boy would have succeed to land in Europe, he would have been blocked at the borders...

You want to separate the two topics for understandable reason, but no: It is the same event, and yes, Europe doesn't give a damn of children drowning in the see, or suffering on the road to exile, and the Hungarians were just a little bit earlier than the others.
Now, you might prefer to see Hungarians Border Police Officer pushing back desperate, hungry, sick and crying children, you might think it is a human way to treat other humans, I don't. Don't look when they will be in the snows of Serbia, Bosnia and other outside Europe countries if it makes you feel better. The things you ignore can't hurt you, are they?

And no, I am not sheltered to human suffering, and I hope I will never be. No saying I always do something about it, but I did.
I did when I join the army to protect the ones who can't, I did when I went for Charities, in wars and Vaccination Campaigns.
Yes, I am aware that it is hardly enough.
And I hope you are not able to watch people dying (or dead) without even a pinch.

[Greyblades]

Correction: i'm only talking about the hungarian fence. I'm not sure what you are talking about but its long lost relevance to what I'm saying.

[Husar]

As for the kid, you've had access to 100-150 years worth of photographic history your entire life, you'd have to be pretty sheltered to still be so emotionally affected by a picture of a dead body by the time you reach adulthood.

For someone who is so emotionally affected by the "war on men", it is quite strange to say that actually dead people do not bother you. And it seems quite cold in general, not something I would advertise about myself. Most parents and other normal people are always affected by pictures or even stories of dead children, there is nothing wrong with that even if they were not sheltered.

[CrossLOPER]

For someone who is so emotionally affected by the "war on men", it is quite strange to say that actually dead people do not bother you. And it seems quite cold in general, not something I would advertise about myself. Most parents and other normal people are always affected by pictures or even stories of dead children, there is nothing wrong with that even if they were not sheltered.

This is the internet. Epeen is measured by edginess.

[AE Bravo]

As for the kid, you've had access to 100-150 years worth of photographic history your entire life, you'd have to be pretty sheltered to still be so emotionally affected by a picture of a dead body by the time you reach adulthood.

You'd have to be pretty sheltered to NOT still be affected by a pic of a dead body, especially a kid.

[Greyblades]

For someone who is so emotionally affected by the "war on men", it is quite strange to say that actually dead people do not bother you. And it seems quite cold in general, not something I would advertise about myself. Most parents and other normal people are always affected by pictures or even stories of dead children, there is nothing wrong with that even if they were not sheltered.

War on men?

I stopped being moved by the idea of dying children when the oxfam/cafod brigades showed up yearly in my primary school's assembly, started snapping thier fingers and saying "every three seconds a child dies of hunger", turned the death of those I dont know from a tragedy to a statistic. Not that it needed help as the sheer scale of the world makes getting worked up over every death becomes both unhealthy and pointless.
Pictures stopped bothering be somewhere between the holocaust and vietnam photos.

I'm sure seeing it in person would disturb me, I am told you can never be prepared for the smell of death, but stories and pictures of death in far off lands do not generally illicit a reaction beyond "this again?"

You'd have to be pretty sheltered to NOT still be affected by a pic of a dead body, especially a kid.

...No... you cant be desensitised by a lack of awareness

[AE Bravo]

All I'm saying is that if you don't shake your head at the image of a pile of dead corpses or think "****ing hell" to yourself, there might be some issues there.

[Fragony]

"A cartoon's purpose is always derision/mocking." NOT in French culture. Charlie is as others of this kind highly political. Cartoon is a misleading word. In French, caricatures is not a "bande dessinée" as "Asterix" or "Lucky Luke" are. For Le Canard Enchainé, Charlie and others, a small drawing is better than 1000 words.
As by Daumier:
http://expositions.bnf.fr/daumier/images/3/018.jpg
http://expositions.bnf.fr/daumier/images/3/023_1.jpg

"Why didn't they do that when their staff died?" They did. Stop assuming....
http://media.koreus.com/201501/homma...ie-hebdo-5.jpg
http://media.koreus.com/201501/homma...e-hebdo-20.jpg
http://media.koreus.com/201501/homma...e-hebdo-23.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6w9TFsIQAAiTee.jpg

I can't find the one with the graves and one saying:" Happy New Year, and and good health (the usual sentence in France for new year)", and the other one saying "The cons!!!!!..." (which is milder in French than in English).

"Why would there be indignation when the comparison to the berlin wall is pathetic?" Really? Barbed wires, walls and even armed force at the checked points? But, all right, your opinion.
Magino Line will do (or perhaps not enough bunkers and artillery for your taste), as it is to stop "invaders" to come in.
And you should read the Media just during at least 5 days after the publishing of the picture, it was really a truly and heart-breaking indignation, at least ONE week...

Pretty sure you will apreciate this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvOS9vsccJs

[Gilrandir]

"Why didn't they do that when their staff died?" They did. Stop assuming....
http://media.koreus.com/201501/homma...ie-hebdo-5.jpg
http://media.koreus.com/201501/homma...e-hebdo-20.jpg
http://media.koreus.com/201501/homma...e-hebdo-23.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6w9TFsIQAAiTee.jpg

I can't find the one with the graves and one saying:" Happy New Year, and and good health (the usual sentence in France for new year)", and the other one saying "The cons!!!!!..." (which is milder in French than in English).

Then I was wrong. Yet in my culture the reaction would be something like the one Russia expressed. Some topics are considered not a subject to satirize about/make fun/mock.

By the way, you went LOL when I mentioned that Russia would have to address the challenge of terrorism once it emroiled into the Syrian conflict and now it is very likely that the Sinai plane was downed by ISIS. Still LOLLing?

[Fragony]

[QUOTE=Gilrandir;2053669164]Then I was wrong. Yet in my culture the reaction would be something like the one Russia expressed. Some topics are considered not a subject to satirize about/make fun/mock


So what deal with it

[Gilrandir]

...*sigh* Brenus' lack of english language skills strikes again!

I thought you were wondering why people werent indignant over hungary creating a wall. I pointed out that the comparison is pathetic.

When you said this:

I thought you were still talking about the wall and by the picture you meant one of these:

I was under the impression you were being an overdramatic wuss acting like the hungarian wall was the moral equivilent of the berlin wall.
Hence: you have a fragile heart.

Let me quote Brenus:

Stop assuming....

You will end up wrong anyway.

[Greyblades]

You will end up wrong anyway.

I suppose you are the one to know what with your uniquely extensive experience in the field of pointless arguments.