Duchy of York and Virginity

[Tuuvi]

Rhyf':

You are aware that those Judeo-Christian morals were/are often honored in the breach? Both religions included rituals of atonement/reconciliation precisely because that standard is often unattainable in practice.

This is true but I think Rhyfelwyr still has a good point. Mistakes happen but it's a lot easier to avoid the pitfalls of ambiguous consent if you're trying to avoid sex altogether.

JudaeoChristian morality is a primary factor behind the victimization of sex-crime victims. In reality, these crimes are trivial, and only cause suffering because the victims are made to feel unsafe and demeaned. One of the greatest ironies of feminism is that it's success will see the undercutting of one of its chief spurs.

So basically, what you are saying is that if it weren't for Judeo-Christian morality people wouldn't really mind getting raped? That's ridiculous. First of all, ideals of chastity and abstinence before marriage are not just Judeo-Christian constructs, they are/were present in Chinese and Maya culture as well, to give two examples.

And while rape victims do experience feelings of guilt and shame as a result of their perceived loss of virtue, this is not the only cause of suffering. Rape victims can suffer from physical injury, STDs, unwanted pregnancy, and post-traumatic stress disorder. The psychological trauma of rape comes not just from cultural/religious guilt but also from the violent, painful nature of the experience and the complete loss of control to another person. Seriously, sexual crimes are far from trivial, even without Judeo-Christian morality.