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    Default Greek Elections announced for the 25th of January

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/...-vote-election

    So, after the government failed to elect her canditate for president, there will be elections in Greece after a month. CORAL is expected to win them, but it's impossible it will manage to form a government, without co-operating with another party. Same applies for the second party, as the winner of the elections gets a huge bonus of 50 deputies.


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    1. New Democracy: Center-Right. In the begining, they anathematized the Memorandum, but when they won the last elections, they evolved into their most loyal advocates. Government: 1974-81, 1989-1993, 2004-09, 2012-2014.

    2. Pan-Greek Social Movement: Despite its name, it belongs to the center. The first party that adopted the Memorandum's policies, it's also part of the current government and also a supporter of Memorandum, also not as much as New Democracy is. Government: 1981-89, 1993-2004, 2009-2014.

    3. Coalition of the Radical Left: Left. In the past, it was part of the eurocommunist movement, it's now a bit more moderate and almost always present in the Parliament, but with extremely few deputies. However, since the 2011, when PASM started to collapse, it has been gradually growing to become the most popular party, at the moment. Against Memorandum, but not as persistent as it used to be.

    4. Independent Greeks: Right, but a bit far, not like Lepen or the Swedish Democrats, though. A split from New Democracy, it's against Memorandum, advocating a more patriotic policy, but it has a re[utation of endorsing conspiracy theories.

    5. Democratic Left: Center Left. A split from CORAL since 2010 (CORAL was tiny, back then), it is in favour of a moderate left policy of a more decisive negotiation with the EU. It used to be a part of the coalition government with (PASM and ND), from 2012 to 2013, but it left, due to the abolishment of the state's official TV channel.

    6. River: Center. 1 year old party, formed around its leader, a famous and respected by many (not me, I consider him a bit slow, let's say) journalist, who is in favour of a moderate Memorandum and a technocratic government.

    7. Communist Party of Greece: Communism. Unlike the respective parties of Spain or France, CPG, established since 1918, is still a supporter of the Soviet Union. Definitely against eurocommunism or revisionism, despises CORAL or the EU and advocates the abolishment of the current economic relations. Always present in the Parliament.

    8. Golden Dawn: Nazism, Fascism. Neo-nazi skinheads with militia units terrorizing leftists and immigrants (killing some of them) since the fall of Junta. They were pretty weak, but they multiplied their power, since 2011, having a considerable presence in the Parliament.

    9. Other parties include the Ecologists, Act (conservative party, in favour of the memorandum) or ANTLECOO (Anticapitalist and Left Co-operation for the Overthrow, radical left party), but they are not expected to get in the next Parliament.

    EDIT: That's a personal favour, but could any of you re-post the thread in the Political Mudpit of the Total War Center?
    There is already a thread about the elections, but it's so poorly made (something expected from a Cretan, if I may say so), that it's not going to generate any meaningful discussion.
    The moderators might be convinced to merge them, instead of closing the new one. Thanks, in advance.
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    Default Re: Greek Elections announced for the 25th of January

    Here's prediction. It doesn't matter who the Greeks vote for but if the newly elected government doesn't do what the EU tell them, then an 'appointed' government will be put in place by the EU.

    All for the sake of stability you understand.
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

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    Default Re: Greek Elections announced for the 25th of January

    That's no different from how a bank will foreclose your home and let you live under a bridge if you cannot pay back the money they talked you into loaning in the first place. You can explain almost everything with a troublesome childhood, except if you owe someone powerful(/rich) money.


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    Default Re: Greek Elections announced for the 25th of January

    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Here's prediction. It doesn't matter who the Greeks vote for but if the newly elected government doesn't do what the EU tell them, then an 'appointed' government will be put in place by the EU.

    All for the sake of stability you understand.
    The only party that it's against the European Union is the Communist Party of Greece and possibly the Golden Dawn, but I am not sure. CORAL's contradiction between his pro-EU sympathies and "revolutionary" tendancies is used by the government to undermine its reliability.
    Also, don't be shy, do particpate in the poll.

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    Default Re: Greek Elections announced for the 25th of January

    What for

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    Default Re: Greek Elections announced for the 25th of January

    I'd like to hear more about the "New Dawn"...

    They come off as raging nazis in the media here... And a quick glance seem to strengthen that look...

    Would you mind explaining this partys stance, and how the general population look at it?

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    Default Re: Greek Elections announced for the 25th of January

    It really does not matter as long as you have neo-nazi's and Communists in the same parliament together. Democracy only works with compromise, and those are two groups that never will. Greece is screwed until the public decides to pick more responsible leadership and parties.


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    Default Re: Greek Elections announced for the 25th of January

    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    I'd like to hear more about the "New Dawn"...

    They come off as raging nazis in the media here... And a quick glance seem to strengthen that look...

    Would you mind explaining this partys stance, and how the general population look at it?
    They really are just that. It's Golden Dawn by the way
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    Default Re: Greek Elections announced for the 25th of January

    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    I'd like to hear more about the "New Dawn"...

    They come off as raging nazis in the media here... And a quick glance seem to strengthen that look...

    Would you mind explaining this partys stance, and how the general population look at it?
    As Fragony said, it's Golden Dawn and I personally view them as fascist thugs. From time to time, they organize a couple of bullying expeditions, where they beat leftists and immigrants up and sometimes they kill them.
    Of course, some Greeks (mainly from Crete and generally Southern Greece) enjoy their brutal approach to our society's problems.
    For example, the prime minister's main consultant was caught giving advice on the GD's second in-command on how to avoid the charges raised against him, while the Minsiter of Education and Religion praised the same member of Golden Dawn for beating Garyfallia (it means Carnation) Canelle, a CPG's deputy on a politcs TV show, because she was speaking too much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    What for
    Why not? Statistical samples can always be informative, especially for the poll's creator.
    Quote Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name View Post
    It really does not matter as long as you have neo-nazi's and Communists in the same parliament together. Democracy only works with compromise, and those are two groups that never will. Greece is screwed until the public decides to pick more responsible leadership and parties.
    I'm not the best person to objectively speak about the Communist Party, but even the most conservative newspapers respect it the most, although they of course despise its ideology.
    The reason for this is that they regularly recognize their mistakes and are the most organized party, so their suggestions never contradict themselves.
    His members organise the most well-guarded protests, a reason why anarchist groups tend to attack them more frequently than they attack the riot police, having killed a communist, once.

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