What to do with the returnees?

[Pannonian]

I can see the attraction of letting IS/Daesh exist to function as some sort of sinkhole that will attract people who don't want western society and who can therefore be missed like a sore tooth. Kind of like the world's toilet.

The problem is: "we" are never going to recognise Daesh as a sovereign entity for fairly obvious reasons. They claim territory from states that we do recognise and they're sure as hell never going to treat other states as peers, which is kind of a prerequisite for diplomatic recognition of any kind. This, and the fact that they're a bunch of murderous savages and all that.

I don't really see much value in stripping citizenship as a criminal punishment, anyway.

I don't see stripping citizenship as a punishment. I see it as a measure of protection from them, so they can never legally return here. If they sympathise with that lot, they will never have much in common with me, and will more than likely be a threat (the 7/7 bombings and the attempted bombing a few weeks later were in areas I frequent, just not on that particular day). I'm not going to interfere with their life over there, and I don't want them to interfere with my life over here.

As for claiming territory from sovereign states, they began life after we interfered in the likes of Iraq and latterly Syria, removing the dictators who were keeping their like in check. Saddam's gone, but Assad's still around, and it's not like any western government will be weeping if he complains about IS being recognised on his turf. Recognise them both, and let them duke it out for supremacy without involving us. Anyone who takes part will be fighting on behalf of one side or another whom we don't support. Whichever side they join, we'll be well rid of them.

[Fragony]

But they can come back Pannonian, you are not legally allowed to take of citizenship if someone will remain stateless. It are the laws people thought would be a good idea. It wasn't my idea to make that legally impossible.

Krazilic can probably explain why but I am not kidding you.

[Kralizec]

I don't see stripping citizenship as a punishment. I see it as a measure of protection from them, so they can never legally return here. If they sympathise with that lot, they will never have much in common with me, and will more than likely be a threat (the 7/7 bombings and the attempted bombing a few weeks later were in areas I frequent, just not on that particular day). I'm not going to interfere with their life over there, and I don't want them to interfere with my life over here.

As for claiming territory from sovereign states, they began life after we interfered in the likes of Iraq and latterly Syria, removing the dictators who were keeping their like in check. Saddam's gone, but Assad's still around, and it's not like any western government will be weeping if he complains about IS being recognised on his turf. Recognise them both, and let them duke it out for supremacy without involving us. Anyone who takes part will be fighting on behalf of one side or another whom we don't support. Whichever side they join, we'll be well rid of them.

It's not going to happen. Either of them.

People more versed than me in international law or diplomacy could probably list a string of reasons of why IS isn't going to get any recognition, whatsoever. I'll just say that nobody is willing to accept a group like IS as a durable (quasi-)state that will last decades, let alone centuries. Even if it's going to take ten years and a series of genocides, IS is done for sooner or later. Assad's government is a vile regime, but from a geopolitical standpoint its existence is at least tolerable.

The future Iraqi and Syrian governments aren't going to award these people with citizenship, either. Why should they? That leaves them with a bunch of stateless criminals that they can't deport anywhere, meaning they're stuck with them. Aside from the human rights aspect, that's one big reason why there are treaties against statelessness and why countries can't just denaturalize all of their undesirables.