Re: Does anyone even listen to creationists these days?
Well, if you find dinosaurs twenty meters under the surface and the first traces of humans ten meters under the surface with very different layers in between, you're seriously going to say they lived around the same time? You also claim that civilization started around the same time, all those civilizations created a ton of records about tigers, lions, snakes and so on but noone every painted or wrote about the dinosaur in the room? Carbon-dating is not the only form there is*, that's one reason I brought up skeletons in the ground.Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
Also do you think the dinosaurs died before or after the great flood and Noah's ark?
How long did they live if we are going to assume that based on the dimensions given in the bible, his ark was a fair bit too small to take on a pair of all kinds of dinosaurs?
The whole thing becomes really shakey if you take this timeline for granted and claim that god didn't just place some skeletons in the earth's crust (which he also made colourful and diverse for unknown reasons).
I think the idea that if there is a god, that he created the physical laws in our universe would be much easier to defend than the idea that he created the entire universe 7000 years ago. Just think of the 7 days the bible mentions as periods instead of days (one could even ask whether that's properly translated from early hebrew etc.) and it might even roughly vibe with the timeline evolutionists give.
The same basic genetic makeup/similar development. Take Monmorency's favourite theory that the brain basically just takes input and creates (ultimately predictable) output. Now if you give a thousand people very similar inputs it's possible that two or more of them have the same idea even without requiring communication.
Take my dad and myself, we were in a car and someone said something on the radio. My dad made a joke and I wanted to make pretty much the same joke at the same time, same input, similar brains, same/very similar output. This is just one example, we've had quite a few such moments where we had pretty much the same idea upon seeing or hearing something. It's a vague example but it does show that two people can have the same thought without one of them communicating it to the other first, simply based on their thought patterns and the input they receive. Think of it like these stories where someone travels from the US to Asia and meets their "soul mate", i.e. the person who is so much like them in character and thought etc.
So take very similar stages of the developed human brain, take the end of the ice age and the effects this has on nature and everything around us as input and the output you get is that people get the idea to plant seeds in order to grow food. You have a sample of many thousands of people and a timespan of around a thousand years, it's not all that unlikely that they get the same ideas. And others have already said that you can't just rule out travelling either. It could just as well be a mix of independent ideas and travelling.
But what use is it to fight this battle if you've already lost the war on all other fronts?
Well, an all powerful god could have just placed the already moving light into the middle of space, but one could then ask why he would do that? Especially if the all powerful god already knows the future and would thus know that doing this will confuse peoples' belief in him, which he so desires.
*there's also Carbon one-night-stands
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