Attila tips and un-/under-documented features

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-31-2015, 01:44

So what's the deal with the WRE's Constant Immigration trait?

I'm about 100 turns in and immigration is causing -9 PO everywhere. If that gets any higher then not amount of PO buildings will save me - the well managed and prosperous WRE will implode because of "reasons".

So my question is - what does "Constant Immigration" mean?

Edit: Half the ERE is a smoking ruin, I wondered what the Huns were doing - they've got as far as Egypt now and they raised the entire Levant, if that's what's causing all this immigration then I think I'll keep plugging away, otherwise might need to leave it because if immigration gets any worse I won't be able to sustain the Empire.

**Hooahguy** · 03-31-2015, 04:02

The constant immigration thing actually kinda makes sense, even from a historical view. With so much chaos outside their borders, the Romans, both East and West, had a huge flow of refugees coming in looking for safety, and that caused a lot of instability as the Romans couldnt handle the huge influx of new immigrants.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-31-2015, 05:11

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

The constant immigration thing actually kinda makes sense, even from a historical view. With so much chaos outside their borders, the Romans, both East and West, had a huge flow of refugees coming in looking for safety, and that caused a lot of instability as the Romans couldnt handle the huge influx of new immigrants.

I've been reading up, looks like you need to Round Robin with the Auxillary Support, province by province, until you've evicted the majority of the immigrants. Currently they're contributing -9 PO to every province, if I knock that down to -2 I can raise taxes to high and keep them there, which should slow the flow somewhat and net me more cash.

Overall though I'd say the current 90% immigrants across the Empire is too much, it means you're basically constantly maxed out, which means you COULD try to build around it because it's a constant -de-buff. It would be much better if the effect was dynamic, so that the WRE got 200% immigration, meaning potentially bigger shocks to the system. As things stand I can get every province to around +1 and then start systematically loweing the immgrant population.

**Slaists** · 03-31-2015, 14:12

It seems, the immigration has something to do both with conflicts around your borders and your tax rate. Not playing WRE exactly, but with Ostrogoths, I got immigration down from -20/turn PO hit to 0 with very high taxes. Once I lowered taxes back to normal, immigration stayed at close to 0%.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-31-2015, 16:05

Originally Posted by Slaists

It seems, the immigration has something to do both with conflicts around your borders and your tax rate. Not playing WRE exactly, but with Ostrogoths, I got immigration down from -20/turn PO hit to 0 with very high taxes. Once I lowered taxes back to normal, immigration stayed at close to 0%.

WRE has "constant immigration" which means your immigrants never assimilate and raising taxes to "High" just maintains status quo. I'm going to make a save point and see about raising to "Very High", see how that pans out. Then I'll go back and try to use governors to lower it, then raise taxes to "High" and see if it stays there.

WRE is basically a juggling act, knowing how to balance food and PO buildings, knowing where to place armies and fleets, and also apparently knowing when to start fighting immigration.

**Slaists** · 04-03-2015, 14:11

LOL, played with the Huns for a while and find that they have completely spoiled me. Found out yesterday I cannot fight with conventional armies anymore. The Huns are almost invincible.

Against the AI that is...

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 04-03-2015, 21:17

Originally Posted by Slaists

LOL, played with the Huns for a while and find that they have completely spoiled me. Found out yesterday I cannot fight with conventional armies anymore. The Huns are almost invincible.

Against the AI that is...

Fighting against Christians you get a -10 to the ENEMY morale, and on top of that even your horse archers scare them. Unless the AI has top-level units with the "encourage" trait they'll buckle.

Don't be fooled though, Hunnic armies are powerful mainly before they can attack the enemy morale rather than their raw killing power.

Want a real challenge - learn to defeat the Huns with a Roman army, much more satisfying.

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Now - about the WRE's "Constant Immigration" trait. After some experimentation I've deduced that the WRE basically operates "one level" above other factions when it come to immigration - so where normal taxes would have a neutral effect for other factions then encourage immigration for the WRE and where high taxes bring you to 0 (excluding external factors). Immigration can up to -9 PO, which high taxes causes only -6 on top of the normal - 4. What this means is that the WRE is better off grinding down immigration using governors and then setting taxes to high. With that set up you should be able to get to 0% immigration and you'll be better off PO wise, the higher taxes will compensate your the loss of immigrants and it grees up your governors to do other things.